So if you can't do nothing physical to them. What can you do? What good the knife stick??? Are police just allowed to protect themselves?

 

Ideally, a badge and a billy stick do not give you the right to be a bully boy. If there is physical resistance, or a physical threat to a citizen, then appropriate force is allowed. We all know that if there isn't a video camera present, "the assailant fell down the steps" is the acceptable answer to a beat up prisoner. I'm bigger than most people. Does that give me the right to put my hands on people because they don't show me proper common courtesy and respect? I have several types of weapons. Does that justify me to use them on people that I take a disliking to?

 

Frank--Heres a few facts about the whole Tampa Bay area. Tampa is the home of a large Italian mafia family called the Trafficante family, Pinellas County is also the home for several Outlaw biker gangs and several juvenile gangs (Asian Pride and Latin Kings are all I can think of right now but there are more). With so many gangs in the county and nearby, just across the bay, from Pinellas you'd think that we would be very busy. Make the link. The county is filled with officer/deputies with bad additudes with nothing to do. Think there might be a link. One city here has a very touchy feely approach and they always have problems (i.e. riots, BS lawsuits, and they have a high crime rate). Do you think there might be a connection? When the Sheriff's office was touchy feely they had the same problem as the one city.

This does not excuse unprofessional conduct, however being rude does send the message to the criminal element that they are not wanted and need to go. If all you expirence is rude/unprofessional cops at work maybe you should look at you own conduct and demeanor. Your prolly one of the ones we are attempting to get out of our collective areas.

 

I guess I've hit a nerve,It seems all the ones replyin are cops of some statue.1ped,So in youre opinion its morally correct to be rude to a citizen while making an arrest?Thats bulls s--t,that feiry of a cop was nervous becouse he knows most people have no respect for law enforcment.The cops need to earn their respect they are normal human beeings just like me and have no right to think they are superior to anyone.Keep in mind all these clowns that are getting mad concerning this threag which are police officers were most likely the ones who eigther got bullied around in school or were the guys you smoked pot with at lunch break.COPS HAVE HUGE EGOS.And as far as ''the next time you get arrested'',I 've never been arrested,But As i've said before I personally know cops who are the most down to earth guys youll ever meet...Until they are in uniform,Then they have the attitude that they are important than anyone else on the street.How about that cop who for no reson at all started beatin that guy on the news from cali.?The guy was down with three cops allready attending to him.The cop i'm talking about comes runnin up and starts nainin him with a mag light.Why? becouse he had the same out look that many of the cops in this thread have(Im a cop and I can do whatever I please).

 

One cop does something bad and that makes ALL cops bad??? I take it Frankie there is a white guy.... let me make the same connection he's making with cops.... since the KKK is white, that means that ALL white people are bad? You cant make that assumption. There are bad cops just as there are bad doctors, lawyers, engineers, etc, etc, etc....
Frankie is either trying to be funny with this thread or he has his head farther up his *** than anyone ive ever come in contact with.

 

I see your point and I realise why I will never make a good cop. You are way more level headed that I will ever be. I guess I watch to much training day and had the idea that actual cops acted a little like that,(Not totally like them)but a little bit like them when they get really insulted.

 

First for my background I have well over 13 years doing this stuff. I have been in one wrestleing match, and that was with a woman who was going to commit homocide/suicide. I do not go into a situation with a bad additude. I go in and treat everyone with respect, until you attempt to take over the situation. Then you will think I am going to tear off your heand and $h!t down your throat. In the 13 years I have tried different approaches and methods. The general consensus from expirence and coworkers is you cannot talk to the majority of the arrested like you were talking to the queen of England at tea. They do not understand the language. If you bring you language/demeanor and additude to thier background then they understand. Sorry to say it but it is essentially the law of the wild and the one with the biggest pair wins. In this line of work that means if the officer/deputy loses on the best case the badguy walks on all charges the worst case the badguy walks away with the cops gun and badge and the cop bleeds to death in the street. I will not lose my life to some dirt bag because I'm afraid to hurt their feelings.

Those who were/are in the military can recognize the philosophy. You must dominate the situation and if you do not you will get into fights. This can be seen by the failure of the kinder gentler forms of police work in high crime aeas. These policies do work in areas not frequented by people with long criminal histories. However those who have been in and out of jail, if not dominated will run the situation and increasing the risk to everyone invovled.

People do not like cops for very few reasons some of which are:
People do not like limits placed on them by outside sources. People do not like being told they are wrong.
you say all cops are arseholes and on a power trip that is because you have either fallen into one of the catagories listed or you were raised by poeple who have fallen into the catagories.

 

And now for something completely different...

http://www.digitaldreamdoor.com/page...ot_police.html

 

"Dont (sic) I have something to milk?"

You come up with that all by yourself, Red?

And why do I have to have a "wise azz ego?" You don't know me... you don't know anything about me. Is it because you said something so inanely stupid and I called you out on it?

Grow up, junior. Do you seriously think that every man and woman who puts on a badge is an a-hole? Every single one? And you defend your position by citing maybe, MAYBE, 10 or 15 bad cops that have made the news recently to back your claim? Try having a job where you don't get paid anywhere enough money to deal, 90% of the time, with people who'd rather not be seeing you. People who skirt the law, and get tweaked at you when, doing your job, you put them away for it. And people, such as yourself, who are so ignorant, that they hate anybody who does it.

If you really can't understand what an ignorant comment that was, and you have to resort to name calling to try and cover the fact that you can't carry an intelligent conversation, then I'm not going to try and explain it to you.

My aforementioned opinion of you, as of this point, still stands.

 

You for some reason still have the mentallity that you need to be respected more than anyone else does.Cops are humans nothing more,What would happen if someone walked up to a cop and said Hey,Do you really think you need a nother doughnut?while at a 7-11?That cop would most likely have you in cuffs in a fraction of a moment.Now if this was youre normal civilian nothing would happen,They might laugh at you.
And as far as how much you payed...So frigin what!You took the job.Maybe you wanted to save the world or didnt feel important enough,or were on such a power trip that day you enlisted,You figured you would become a police officer so you could be allmighty to everyone beneath you.I inspect Fire Sprinkler systems for a living,I am way more important than you are in my mind and I get payed way more than you do,But do I think,I'll be someone important and people will have to have some sort of respect towards me,NO.If you dont like dealing with the rest of us heathens and cant stand not making enough money to do so,Quit!Bye the way I'm a law-abiding citizen who has never been arrested,question or been in any sort of trouble.
As far as the whole Hillbilly statement I was just tryin to mix the thread up a little,I mean really no point in getting to upset while staring at a computer screen,right.Sorry I'm a Douchebag.

 

The level of respect that I expect doesn't have anything to do with what I do for a living. I am not a law enforcement officer, if that helps you stomach my presence any. What you're condoning though, is a general disrespect of people who wear a badge, for no other reason than the badge itself. That's stupid. These people do, in fact, deserve our respect for the simple fact that they will still be there for you when you need them, regardless of how you feel about them. Personally, I do hold members of law enforcement to a higher respect solely on what they do, as well as members of our armed forces, for not just the reasons I stated earlier.

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I'll cut that last part out, as you edited your post from the first time I read it.

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I dont condone any dis-respect for anyone.Life to short for the crap,But I dont feel that anyone who wears a badge disserves any speacial respect of any sort.Military or law enforcment.They made that dissicion on their own.Sorry for mistaking you for a LEO.Look at the chick who humiliated them prisoners over in Iraq,She was abusing her power as a soldier.

 

I know you used doughnuts because of the cop subject; but, let's say that comment would be offensive to anyone, for argument's sake. If not for the police, and what they represent, there would be gangs of tough guys in their place imposing what ever law they see fit to... for their own benefit. Would you walk up to a member of one of these type of groups, and feel safe saying something personally insulting to them? If so, you would be very sorry for it sooner or later. Cops may not be friendly or amenable at all times; but, they tend to keep the bad guys from taking over most of our neighborhoods and making our lives miserable and short.

There are bad cops out there. Some of them are ******; but, I think all of them deserve at least the same respect you would expect for yourself. I give them more. They are doing a job that most people will not do. It's an important job. I appreciate what they do, even if some of them may not do it for entirely noble reasons. I'm 37 years old and, while I have been pulled over numerous times, I've never been physically assaulted by a cop. Not even the threat of it. Why? Because I treat them with the same respect that I would expect them to show me. While sometimes the officer may not be especially friendly at the beginning of the encounter, by the time he's conducted his business with me, he's a different person entirely. Dealing with punks from daylight to dark, or vice-versa, wears on your social skills and patience.

 

If that's the way you feel, it's worthless for me to try to explain it to you. I'm done trying.

 

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