Ok let’s stop for a minute talking about the actual children who are of different races and heritages…

It is not the child’s fault, nor their specific race or heritage that “tears a school down” it is the adults and organizations that for decades have “brainwashed” these children into “believing” they are not as good as other races or heritages…

If you were told day in and day out that you are not as good as another person it starts to sink in and you finally believe it because that is all you hear everyday and that is all you are taught every day.

I would ask those of you who are actually in school at this time to think about that. It is not the child, or young adult who you may associate with that has created their situation it is society at large for tolerating and staying quite about what is really going on.

Yes, I know I am one to always bring up “personal responsibility” but in this case it is hard to make one “personal responsible” for their actions or beliefs they have been taught since childhood.

There are many people responsible for this down fall in our society, including conservatives such as myself. I do speak my mind here and to others, but in general conservatives usually remain quite rather then taking heat and being called racist for trying to bring equality to all races.

It is people like Jesse Jackson who are some of the most racist people around. Many of the liberal organizations are extremely racist, and I do not use the word racist lightly, I use it for what it is, the facts and the truth in reality.

However, it is not just the vast majority of liberals and their organizations who are at fault it is conservatives and other organizations as well for NOT speaking up, and spreading the word as LOUDLY as possible and over the hype and false acquisitions of liberals calling us racist.

Yes, it will take time and in the beginning some will think it racist for wanting to put everyone on an equal footing with equal opportunity which first means getting the public schools in the inner cities repaired and up to speed with good teachers. It means getting to the inner cities and taking out the crime elements that are currently holding back other children in the inner city.

It means taking responsibility of the inner cities and realizing we have let the liberals tear up and destroy the inner cities for to long and hold back good people for to long for their own power and our own fear of being called racist in the process…

Nobody is born a racist and nobody is born feeling like a victim, they are both learned traits from other adults that either do not have the courage or education to correct their misguided ways.

Therefore, do NOT hold it against those who are of a different race in your school for “possible” tearing it down. That was already done by the adults who left their own personal responsibility behind either for power or fear…

If you want to do something positive and helpful in your school then start interacting with those of a different race and/or heritage and show them and teach them from personal experience they do NOT have to be a victim or considered “less-then” other races because you think they are as equal as you are which means if they, like you, put their heart and mind in to it can become what ever they may wish to be if they have the “will power”

In the end it is not about a hand out because hand out have never worked and that is a fact that has been proven time and time again but liberals in general never seem to learn from past mistakes because to do so would mean they were no longer needed.

It is not about a hand out but rather a hand up…

”Give a person a fish – feeds them for a day”

”Teach a person to fish – feeds them for a life time”

 

ok you have a point, it is mostly the adults that cause it, but.... i didnt only say it was only one certain race that "tear down the school, its the way they act, i have a lot of black friends so im not raceist i just dont like the way people act. your parents dont tell you how to act and at 16, 17, 18 people should and make there own desisions and the way they live. so why blame the parents? i dont act like mine, I dont beleve in most of the same things my parents do, so why blame the parents for the 16, 17, 18 year olds choices. well i have to go to work so im done for now

 

skirket
the principal does approve any magnet program applications that he feels is right. its not people just in the area of the school that get in. most of the area the school is in is white. they bring in all the minorities from other areas of the city. our old principal didnt let near as many minorities in. im not trying to sound racist, but lets face it, minorities tend to do worse in school and cause more trouble (except asians). yes there are lots that are exceptions but the majority dont do very good. why does the principal accept all these minorities, even though they tend to bring down the schools rating? i dont know. but because of the principal, my school is turning to crap.

bigreds2005
wow, where do you go to school. there is like 800 in my school, not counting hispanics or the wannabes. the wannabes are overwhelming. most of the school

 

I think its about time there something that is omly white. If there can be only colored, hsipanic, etc. Then why not just white. I dont really think there should be any just ______ are allowed or helped. Its BS to be.
Now these days, "People go to school to make grades not to learn."

 

I know I started this post knowing it might get out of hand, and I think it's doing pretty good, but I just would like to clarify a few things. I know I make a few racial comments from time to time, and where I grew up it was hard not to be racial, but now I'm in a position to see that it wasn't anything to do with what color their skin was it was just the type of people they were. I have several friends of different backgrounds and colors. My GF is of Asian descent, and I suffer from terminal white man's disease ( I couldn't dance to save my soul)... There are good people and there are scum... They come in all sizes, all colors, etc, etc... So, please, don't say that just because your school or town is filling up with minorities that it going down hill. Maybe your town or school is filling up with the wrong kind of people, but that has nothing to do with them being minorities...

and yes I think AA teaches people to be lazy. It just says you can have a job, by discrimintating against others... I don't see why you have to hire someone by their color, but would have your *** handed to you if you fired someone for their color...

 

First off 16 and 17 are still not adults.

That aside, it's parents who are to raise kids become a functioning and contributing member of society, it's parents who are to raise their kid and make sure they do good in school. Being interesting in the activities *cough*sports*cough* is not where it all lies at, neither is trying to be your kids friend. It's called parenting for a reason.

Of course there are rarities where the parents do the best they can and the kid turns out to be a little demon, but I don't believe/have seen evidence that it is the norm.

Acting like your parents and believing in what they believe is a different discussion.

 

I have no problem with tests. My problem is with standardized tests. Teachers and principals know that to get state funding they have to do well on these standardized tests. As a result, they teach their students the information needed to do well on those tests. And _only_ on those tests.

Everyone wants to be an armchair quarterback. Instead of letting teachers teach, we are trying to tell them how to do their job. It is just as bad as what has happened with HMO's and doctors. Instead of letting your doctor decide what's best for you we have decided that it would be better if an accountant decided. Give me a break.

-Don

 

I agree with sirket about the testing. I do believe there should be testing every year so as to measure how schools are doing but not a standardized test. They should be able to come up with many different tests, say 100 or so. That way it would be basically impossible for a school to teach kids the test and they would be forced to actually give them an education.

When a school feels they must teach the test in order to get the kids to pass it means the school knows they are lacking qualified teachers who can actual teach children and thus should get rid of those who are not good enough to actual give an education rather then answers to questions…

 

If the test weren't standardized, then it would be harder to compare to every other school's test results in the country to get any kind of `ranking` or whatever, that is why they are standardized. I agree, though, they need to be rethought, and tests need to be administered from a different approach. I think that the problem with racism is parents of minority children teaching their children (some by example) that they can play the racial card if they have to. If racism is to be truly stopped (which it isn't going to be, not my choice, but real world), then people have to stop expecting something for free just because they are in a minority. No special treatment for anyone, minority or not, that would be the only way to stop racism, but minorities don't want it that way, they want everything handed to them for free (not everyone that is in a racial minority, but it doesn't take a whole lot of people to screw it up for everyone). Until minorities decide that they shouldn't be treated specially, then there will always be racism, and they brought it up, because white kids today have worked just as hard (or harder) than some kids that are in a minority, and the minority kids get the scholarships and the jobs, just because they are in a minority. Just once, I would like to hear someone in a minority say "Well, if he's more qualified, then I guess I don't deserve the scholarship." Not going to happen, and then the white kids get jealous, because they did what was asked of them, and they didn't get the job or scholarship, so of course it's going to eventually breed hate against the minority that did. That's just the way the majority of people are going to act, whether it's right or not.

 

The solution to this was in the movie Bullworth. Everyone just needs to interbreed until we are all the same color

-Don

 

If the test is based on the standards for whatever grade the student just completed then, let the teachers teach whats on the test. IT'S THE EXPECTATIONS FOR THE GRADE.

One of the things I think this state has done correctly is the FCAT standardized tests. If the student passes the classes but fails the FCAT they fail the grade. That tells me the test IS the statndard for the grade.

I'm not being a smart@$$ but heres and example. If the standard for first grade is to be able to correctly add any two numbers up to ten, then come up with a test that has the students add any two numbers up to 15. If the student gets the incorrect answers on the excess but meets all expectations then they are still going to pass the test. By linking this to passing the grade (for the student) and increased funding for the teacher/school it will encourage the students to try and the teacher to surpass the expectations. If a large majority of students are able to exceed the expectations then obviously the standard is set too low.

 

What about a test in history? The state requires I know US history up until the civil war. What if my school teaches that as well as US history to the present day? Do you write a test that includes questions up until the present day? What if my school teaches world history up until the US civil war so that we have a total view of what was happening in the world? Do you now include world history on the US history test?

Should I be penalized because I learned more than other kids in the state? Or worse, what if my school stops teaching all of this additional material to concentrate instead on US history up until the civil war just because there are a couple of morons in the class who just don't get it? (Or don't want to get it).

If you really want to improve things you should look at setting up classes based on how smart the student is. Put the smart students together and let them learn, put the slower students together so that they can focus on the basics.

My elementary school education could have truly sucked if it were not for my teachers and my school willing to go out of their way to keep me and a few other students challenged.

-Don

 

Sikret--
I see what you are saying, however if the state only requires certain calsses (basic knowledge) for graduation, then the rest of the classes are electives. My high school only required one year of math and science, I had three of each. My school also only required three years of English, as you can see by my grammer I only had three. If the state sets a minimum knowledge level then everything else has to be an elective.

So as you put it if the state only requires US history up to the Civil War then everything else is an elective. At the high school level you should be at least starting some kind of specialized interest in some field. That is why they allow you to select of electives.

If you start taloring the classes to the individual then as long as the individuals meet the standard for passing the class I have no objections. I think the financial constraints on public schools will not allow individual attention, unless the child is placed is special ed or a private school.

 

having friends of another ethnic group doesn't mean you are not racist... it just means you have friends of a different ethnicity.

A white can have black friends while looking down on Arabs or Indians, Aboriginals, or Chinese.

 

J-150- sorry if by that comment it made me seem like a raceist twards other ethnic groups, to me its the way people act when they come over to america and think they deserve everything handed to them on a silver platter.. with that said i got this in my email today and thought id share....

______________________________

Andy Rooney said on 60 minutes a few weeks back: (for those of you that don't
know Andy Rooney, he is an 82 year old US TV commentator and a man of great
wisdom.)

I like big cars, big boats, big motorcycles, big houses and big campfires. I
believe the money I make belongs to me and my family, not some governmental
stooge with a bad comb-over who wants to give it away to crack addicts for
squirting out babies.

I don't think being a minority makes you a victim of anything except numbers.
The only things I can think of that are truly discriminatory are things like
the United Negro College Fund, Jet Magazine, Black Entertainment Television,
and Miss Black America. Try to have things like the United Caucasian College
Fund, Cloud Magazine, White Entertainment Television, or Miss White America;
and see what happens. Jesse Jackson will be knocking down your door.

I have the right "NOT" to be tolerant of others because they are different,
weird, or tick me off.

When 70% of the people who get arrested are black, in cities where 70% of the
population is black, that is not racial profiling, it is the Law of
Probability.

I know what sex is, and there are not varying degrees of it. If I received
sex from one of my subordinates in my office, it wouldn't be a private matter
or my personal business. I would be "FIRED" immediately!

I believe that if you are selling me a milk shake, a pack of cigarettes, a
newspaper or a hotel room, you must do it in English! As a matter of fact, if
you want to be an American citizen, you should have to speak English! My
father and grandfather didn't die in vain so you can leave the countries you
were born in to come over and disrespect ours. I think the police should have
every right to shoot your sorry self if you threaten them after they tell you
to stop. If you can't understand the word "freeze" or "stop" in English, see
the above lines.

I feel much safer letting a machine with no political affiliation recount
votes when needed. I know what the definition of lying is. I don't think just
because you were not born in this country, you are qualified for any special
loan programs, government sponsored bank loans or tax breaks, etc., so you
can open a hotel, coffee shop, trinket store, or any other business.

We did not go to the aid of certain foreign countries and risk our lives in
wars to defend their freedoms, so that decades later they could come over
here and tell us our constitution is a living document; and open to their
interpretations.

I don't hate the rich. I don't pity the poor. I know pro wrestling is fake,
but so are movies and television. That doesn't stop you from watching them. I
believe a self-righteous liberal or conservative with a cause is more
dangerous than a Hell's Angel with an attitude.

I think Bill Gates has every right to keep every penny he made and continue
to make more. If it ticks you off, go and invent the next operating system
that's better, and put your name on the building. Ask your buddy that
invented the Internet to help you.

It doesn't take a whole village to raise a child right, but it does take a
parent to stand up to the kid; and smack their little behinds when necessary,
and say "NO!"

I think tattoos and piercing are fine if you want them, but please don't
pretend they are a political statement. And, please, stay home until that new
lip ring heals. I don't want to look at your ugly infected mouth as you serve
me French fries!

I am sick of "Political Correctness." I know a lot of black people, and not a
single one of them was born in Africa; so how can they be "African-
Americans"? Besides, Africa is a continent. I don't go around saying I am a
European-American because my great, great, great, great, great, great
grandfather was from Europe.

I am proud to be from America and nowhere else.

And if you don't like my point of view, tough. DON'T PASS IT ON!!