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Old Jan 24, 2004 | 09:48 PM
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Terrorist in Freeport Texas ?

News is reporting that a Security Guard at a Chemical plant in Freeport Texas was shot by a man of Middle Eastern decent last night at 930 pm

The guard approached the man(in a chevy p/u) in a remote area near the chemical plant. When asked what he was doing, the man said he was taking Photographs of the lights at the plant.

Within seconds of the guard being given this information, the subject shot him and fled the area.

Thats a little too close to home for me, My city has chemical plants, shipping ports, and cruise lines departing all around me, and Freeport is only about 30 miles from my house.

I hope they catch that scumbag.
 
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Old Jan 25, 2004 | 01:29 AM
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Have a link to a news site or something? I haven't heard anything about this at all... not that I should've or anything but, it's very typical in today's day and age for ALL of the news agencies to jump on something of this nature and ride it until everyone is blue in the face...

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Old Jan 25, 2004 | 01:45 AM
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Aha! One time when I was guarding the chemical plant in UT. We were aproaching a suspicous man running near the plant (at like 1 am). MY squad leader told me to go and make contact with him, so I put my flak jacket on, donned my kevlar and grabbed my m-16. MY SGT laughed at me and asked if I was scarred, I told him no, I just didnt want to get shot.

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Old Jan 25, 2004 | 10:49 AM
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This morning, the FBI said that they don't believe that this incident was terror-related...

Let's see:

1. It's the middle of the night.
2. The location is travelled lightly, usually by plant security guards.
3. There's some dude, possibly middle-eastern, taking pictures of an ammonia plant.
4. The front plate on his truck was removed.
5. He shoots the security guard as the guard attempts to call his dispatcher.

Now if this doesn't sound like it's terrorist-related, what pray tell does the FBI think it could be? Maybe they think the guy was a photographer for the Audobon Society who got really upset when the guard ruined his chance for a prize-winning photo of the nocturnal Texas Gulf Coast Blue-Tipped Snipe.

Even worse, the FBI ignored the most obvious clue of all: The guy was driving a Chevy...
 
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Old Jan 25, 2004 | 12:11 PM
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Sounds like the FBI doesn't want to cause panic. Typical government BS.
 
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Old Jan 25, 2004 | 06:06 PM
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Sounds like the FBI doesn't want to cause panic. Typical government BS.
Frank S - I'm sure that you are right. But I do believe that the American public is better able to deal with terrorism than they were pre-911. Let's hope everyone is keeping their eyes and ears open, regardless of the 'credibility' of any news item.
 
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Old Jan 25, 2004 | 06:42 PM
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Official Link, anyone????
 
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Old Jan 25, 2004 | 07:28 PM
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Bill Murray,

Sorry I cant post a link, unless you look at The Galveston County Daily News, or one of the Houston TV stations websites.

I work for a Police Dept, and read the "attempt to locate" teletype printout that was broadcast to area agencies right after it happened
 
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Old Jan 25, 2004 | 08:01 PM
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I work for a Police Dept, and read the "attempt to locate" teletype printout that was broadcast to area agencies right after it happened
Now that's even better than a link.
 
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Old Jan 25, 2004 | 08:18 PM
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My 2 cents says he shot himself.
 
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Old Jan 25, 2004 | 09:24 PM
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What makes you think he shot himself? By the KHOU article, it looks like he was shot in the back. A simple swab of the guards hands would prove if he fired a gun or not.
 
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Old Jan 25, 2004 | 09:39 PM
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My 2 cents says he shot himself.

Possible.

But he was an unarmed guard, and I would hope that the FBI guys tested his hands for gunpowder residue.

Maybe he is trying to drum up some extra OT at the plants with a conspiracy theory to pad his wallet.

The plants in Texas City (and I guess Freeport) are getting federal grant money to hire off duty Police Officer's for security patrols. I know some guys who are taking a couple weeks of paid vacation and then working the extra jobs while it is available.

Unfortunately, this terrorism and homeland security stuff means big money to some people ,either through grants, or convincing administrators they need more equipment/resources. Lets face it, it means job security for some people/companies.
 

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Old Jan 25, 2004 | 11:31 PM
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Whether he shot himself or not, he should not have been unarmed, especially being a security gaurd
 
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Old Jan 26, 2004 | 12:37 AM
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Originally posted by Frank S
What makes you think he shot himself?
So much of the story is too convenient and cannot be corroberated. When you make up a story, you want the story itself to be plausible but unverifiable. Everything in the story is believable on the surface, but it's also impossible to verify it based on his explaination of events.
  • Superficial gunshot wound
  • No witnesses
  • The suspect was in a white Chevy truck (White is statistically the most common color and there are countless Chevy trucks in Texas)
  • Front plate is missing, rear is obscured (This way he doesn't need to give verifiable details to support his story. No chance of actually finding the truck that was there if it cannot be possitively identified)

Here's what he is saying happened:

He approached a suspicious truck with darkly tinted windows, after sunset, parked in a restricted area. He did so on his own, without informing dispatch of his location or the situation before hand. The occupant of this truck is a terrorist of middle eastern descent, who's scoping out a chemical plant and openly admits that he is taking pictures before firing a single shot with his puny 9mm handgun, leaving a witness who can describe who he is and what he's up to there. Not likely in terms of security protocol or a terrorist's modus operandi.

This guy has plenty of reasons to stage this incident. Could be he wants workers comp, attention, hero status, promotion, etc... Just because these gaurds are not officially armed doesn't mean he didn't have a gun, and the 9mm is the perfect gun for self-inflicted, non lethal wounds.

The FBI's ambiguous statements and repeated interviews with the gaurd also tell me that they don't believe his story is supported by the evidence.

After two FBI agents interviewed the wounded guard a second time Saturday afternoon, FBI officials said circumstances surrounding the shooting remained suspicious.
Based on the lack of verifiable evidence and information, it's much more likely that he made it up.
 

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Old Jan 26, 2004 | 12:11 PM
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Superficial gunshot wound
A bullet goes through a mans shoulder and you call it superficial? He would've had to shoot himself through the BACKSIDE of his shoulder.

Just because these gaurds are not officially armed doesn't mean he didn't have a gun, and the 9mm is the perfect gun for self-inflicted, non lethal wounds
Actually, a .22 would be perfect for a non-lethal weapon. Less tissue damage. You're making 'alot' of assumptions. And you know what happens when we make assumptions.
 
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