Photos of Saddam Captured PT II
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Photos of Saddam Captured PT II
Sorry, guys, the pics on that other thread threw my screen into convulsions.
hennjj: For the record, I am an alcoholic, not a crackhead. There is a difference.
Shane: Don't think anyone is yelling at you, you didn't post them there in the first place and were merely passing them on.
One more side point: As far as I have read this was a clandestine operation carried out by SF troops, picked troops from the Division responsible for that area and maybe a few more
we will never know about.
As such, I would have to think that security was extremely tight and it was more or less a top secret op. For some participant to bring along a camera that I am sure was not cleared by anyone and to take those photos and then post them on the internet was not smart in my opinion. Further, I would imagine that person has been identified by now and is probably sitting in a stockade somewhere.
As an individual I will have to admit offend me terribly much. I have seen worse as have all of you. It was just the manner in which they were taken and then used that offends me along with the problems it may cause the US.
Bill
hennjj: For the record, I am an alcoholic, not a crackhead. There is a difference.
Shane: Don't think anyone is yelling at you, you didn't post them there in the first place and were merely passing them on.
One more side point: As far as I have read this was a clandestine operation carried out by SF troops, picked troops from the Division responsible for that area and maybe a few more
we will never know about.
As such, I would have to think that security was extremely tight and it was more or less a top secret op. For some participant to bring along a camera that I am sure was not cleared by anyone and to take those photos and then post them on the internet was not smart in my opinion. Further, I would imagine that person has been identified by now and is probably sitting in a stockade somewhere.
As an individual I will have to admit offend me terribly much. I have seen worse as have all of you. It was just the manner in which they were taken and then used that offends me along with the problems it may cause the US.
Bill
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Bill, I'm with you on getting away from the size of the pics on the other thread, but I did have something to say, so I carried it over here where the text is easier to read and re-read.
Agreed, the public distribution of the pics was a mistake. No good can come from it, only misinturpetation and ugly American feelings.
On the other side, the pics and others like them have been taken before and will continue to be taken in future actions. The problem is, the bodies and minds that are capable of waging war are younger and more volatile than the older, worldlier, experienced, but less physically prepared, bodies of the world. Most of us that belong in the "older bodies" can sympathize with what happens, but we have learned through the years that it can only lead to more violence, mistrust, etc.
That said, they are some kickazz pictures, eh?
Agreed, the public distribution of the pics was a mistake. No good can come from it, only misinturpetation and ugly American feelings.
On the other side, the pics and others like them have been taken before and will continue to be taken in future actions. The problem is, the bodies and minds that are capable of waging war are younger and more volatile than the older, worldlier, experienced, but less physically prepared, bodies of the world. Most of us that belong in the "older bodies" can sympathize with what happens, but we have learned through the years that it can only lead to more violence, mistrust, etc.
That said, they are some kickazz pictures, eh?
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Serotta:
Nice to hear from you again.
I left out a line in my post, I meant to say they did not offend me as such. And, of course, you are correct in saying this sort of thing has taken place since humans could draw pictures.
And maybe I am a generation out of synch and the internet/web has so changed the world that we will be seeing this kind of thing constantly. Anyone can take a picture or video of anything, post it and it is literally available to the world in an instant. Of course this is from December but could have been posted earlier.
My gripe is more about the potential political fallout from this sort of thing, kind of like the helicopter video that got posted a few days ago. As old farts, we have seen the longer term results of us showing we can be as bad *** as the bad asses. I don't fault the younger guys for their gung ho attitudes, really. This is to me just bad judgement and bad imagry for us to be projecting.
Not saying I have the only right slant on this, just my opinion
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Nice to hear from you again.
I left out a line in my post, I meant to say they did not offend me as such. And, of course, you are correct in saying this sort of thing has taken place since humans could draw pictures.
And maybe I am a generation out of synch and the internet/web has so changed the world that we will be seeing this kind of thing constantly. Anyone can take a picture or video of anything, post it and it is literally available to the world in an instant. Of course this is from December but could have been posted earlier.
My gripe is more about the potential political fallout from this sort of thing, kind of like the helicopter video that got posted a few days ago. As old farts, we have seen the longer term results of us showing we can be as bad *** as the bad asses. I don't fault the younger guys for their gung ho attitudes, really. This is to me just bad judgement and bad imagry for us to be projecting.
Not saying I have the only right slant on this, just my opinion
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Great reply serotta ;
No matter what they will always hate us ! I saw a movie once that reminds me alot of what I see now .The movie was called the The infiltrator starring Oliver Platt and was about the underground ***** in germany . There was a line in the movie I will never forget , it went somthing like this . We are not worried about the skinheads they are easy to see, it's the every day citizen , the middle class that support them we worry about.The same goes for Saudi Arabia and others that support the efforts of the extremist.
No matter what they will always hate us ! I saw a movie once that reminds me alot of what I see now .The movie was called the The infiltrator starring Oliver Platt and was about the underground ***** in germany . There was a line in the movie I will never forget , it went somthing like this . We are not worried about the skinheads they are easy to see, it's the every day citizen , the middle class that support them we worry about.The same goes for Saudi Arabia and others that support the efforts of the extremist.
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Bill, I knew that was a keyboard oversight on your part. I have seen enough of your posts to know those pictures would not offend you.
I'm tending to hang with 'Nemo on this: It's not the "devil" we see that's the problem, it's the "devil" we don't see. The big blustery macho American image doesn't play well with that unseen "devil", and it most certainly provides the glue that holds their cause together.
Ahh, back to the only opinion that counts, it's time for a beer....
I'm tending to hang with 'Nemo on this: It's not the "devil" we see that's the problem, it's the "devil" we don't see. The big blustery macho American image doesn't play well with that unseen "devil", and it most certainly provides the glue that holds their cause together.
Ahh, back to the only opinion that counts, it's time for a beer....
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John, one thing for sure. It is 1711 hrs and the sun is over the yardarm and I just took my first sip of my own favorite.
As a research project today, I pulled up the images of Saddam and the heli guncopter activity and called several of my male employees into the office a couple at a time to watch/view them and asked them what they thought.
Five of the guys are under 25, have no military experience and have only travelled to places like Cancun. One had some military experience and was stationed in Germany. The last is in his early forties and did 12 years in the Army and had several overseas postings in not so friendly to the US countries including Korea and he did Desert Storm.
While far from a scientific survey, it taught me something and re-affirmed a bit of what I have been saying on these recent threads and earlier ones.
The "youngsters" were hooting and hollering and giving each other high fives, saying "Bring it On" and that sort of thing. They viewed it as just punishment for Saddam and the Iraqi soldiers the copter blew away. Good entertainment in a sense and that was the end of their thought process.
The middle guy just sort of shook his head and asked why they put this sort of stuff on the internet. He saw no point in it although it didn't seem to bother him a whole lot.
The Forty year old was very angry. He felt the same way I did about a soldier shooting unauthorized photos of an operation and then letting it get put on the net. What surprised me was his reaction to the gunship clip. He worked on helicopters in the Army as an avionics tech and had a lot of experience with all types of operations. I will have to paraphrase his remarks but basically he said that those types of operations and the videos made of them are something only the crews are supposed to experience and the Damage Assessment Officers are supposed
to see. I gather such videos were not shown to the troops in general. Don't know for sure. It was interesting to hear his reaction in that he is a "bootstrap" African-American who fought his way out of the Projects and made something of himself. I suppose his background makes him sensitive to stereotyping and profiling and he does not like to see it applied to anyone.
Like I said, John, maybe it is a generational thing. I was not offended by what we are discussing but how it was presented.
I have the entire video series if Victory At Sea and Korea The Forgotten War for example and it does not bother me to see plane after plane shot down or buildings full of people blown up and so on, well it does of course but I accept it for what it is. I am probably really stretching the point but those images were woven into an historical context and told a story, gory as it was.
Of course, they were also put together several years after the respective conflicts which made watching them a bit of a different experience.
Well, off the soapbox for now. It must be someone else's turn.
Bill
As a research project today, I pulled up the images of Saddam and the heli guncopter activity and called several of my male employees into the office a couple at a time to watch/view them and asked them what they thought.
Five of the guys are under 25, have no military experience and have only travelled to places like Cancun. One had some military experience and was stationed in Germany. The last is in his early forties and did 12 years in the Army and had several overseas postings in not so friendly to the US countries including Korea and he did Desert Storm.
While far from a scientific survey, it taught me something and re-affirmed a bit of what I have been saying on these recent threads and earlier ones.
The "youngsters" were hooting and hollering and giving each other high fives, saying "Bring it On" and that sort of thing. They viewed it as just punishment for Saddam and the Iraqi soldiers the copter blew away. Good entertainment in a sense and that was the end of their thought process.
The middle guy just sort of shook his head and asked why they put this sort of stuff on the internet. He saw no point in it although it didn't seem to bother him a whole lot.
The Forty year old was very angry. He felt the same way I did about a soldier shooting unauthorized photos of an operation and then letting it get put on the net. What surprised me was his reaction to the gunship clip. He worked on helicopters in the Army as an avionics tech and had a lot of experience with all types of operations. I will have to paraphrase his remarks but basically he said that those types of operations and the videos made of them are something only the crews are supposed to experience and the Damage Assessment Officers are supposed
to see. I gather such videos were not shown to the troops in general. Don't know for sure. It was interesting to hear his reaction in that he is a "bootstrap" African-American who fought his way out of the Projects and made something of himself. I suppose his background makes him sensitive to stereotyping and profiling and he does not like to see it applied to anyone.
Like I said, John, maybe it is a generational thing. I was not offended by what we are discussing but how it was presented.
I have the entire video series if Victory At Sea and Korea The Forgotten War for example and it does not bother me to see plane after plane shot down or buildings full of people blown up and so on, well it does of course but I accept it for what it is. I am probably really stretching the point but those images were woven into an historical context and told a story, gory as it was.
Of course, they were also put together several years after the respective conflicts which made watching them a bit of a different experience.
Well, off the soapbox for now. It must be someone else's turn.
Bill
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Man Bill, did you strike a cord with Victory at Sea. Since my teenage years that was one show that would produce patriotic chill bumps up and down my spine. I probably should breakdown and buy the CD set.
Ha, look who I'm talkin' to about patriotism etc. You still driving the police interceptor "WOOD"?
later,
john
Ha, look who I'm talkin' to about patriotism etc. You still driving the police interceptor "WOOD"?
later,
john
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John:
It has been too long ago to remember now, but it was the musical score and the crashing waves that introduced each episode that made it so great and won it so many awards at the time it was first introduced.
Interesting you mentioned getting it on DVD. My tapes are maybe 15+ years old and getting worn out as is my tape player.
I will have to repurchase a lot of this type of stuff as well as the hundreds of music cassettes I have.
Matter of fact, and this is my age showing, I still have a ton of 78 rpm records of such things as a complete Glenn Miller collection, Thelonious Monk and a lot of other Jazz greats and so on from the 40's and 50's. Can't even find a decent needle for my record player (which is from the late 60's) to try and convert this stuff to CD or DVD.
Yes, the Wood still lives, now at about 17K totally satisfactory miles. It has a mild chip/filter/exhaust combo and is fair for stout.
Since we reset the store with a couple of more checkout counters/anti theft barriers I have not had the chance to chase any more perps in the middle of the night.
On the other hand, I have started investigating if I can put a sneaker nitrous setup on the Wood without major mods to knock off the occasional hot dog ricer.
BTW, if you want to see some really nasty propaganda, I have a tape done by Frank Capra on the Japanese invasion of China I can loan you. Apparently the Office of War Information or whatever it was called had Mr. Capra do several documentaries in I would guess 1942 to rally support for the war. Not very sophisticated, but probably effective at the time.
Bit off topic, but I also have somewhere pictures of our Victory Garden that we had in San Diego CA. 1942-1944.
It has been too long ago to remember now, but it was the musical score and the crashing waves that introduced each episode that made it so great and won it so many awards at the time it was first introduced.
Interesting you mentioned getting it on DVD. My tapes are maybe 15+ years old and getting worn out as is my tape player.
I will have to repurchase a lot of this type of stuff as well as the hundreds of music cassettes I have.
Matter of fact, and this is my age showing, I still have a ton of 78 rpm records of such things as a complete Glenn Miller collection, Thelonious Monk and a lot of other Jazz greats and so on from the 40's and 50's. Can't even find a decent needle for my record player (which is from the late 60's) to try and convert this stuff to CD or DVD.
Yes, the Wood still lives, now at about 17K totally satisfactory miles. It has a mild chip/filter/exhaust combo and is fair for stout.
Since we reset the store with a couple of more checkout counters/anti theft barriers I have not had the chance to chase any more perps in the middle of the night.
On the other hand, I have started investigating if I can put a sneaker nitrous setup on the Wood without major mods to knock off the occasional hot dog ricer.
BTW, if you want to see some really nasty propaganda, I have a tape done by Frank Capra on the Japanese invasion of China I can loan you. Apparently the Office of War Information or whatever it was called had Mr. Capra do several documentaries in I would guess 1942 to rally support for the war. Not very sophisticated, but probably effective at the time.
Bit off topic, but I also have somewhere pictures of our Victory Garden that we had in San Diego CA. 1942-1944.
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I have some Glenn Miller reproductions. My Mother is a Big Band fan and some of it has rubbed off on me. Unfortunately not on my wife, so the sound is confined to the SCrew and this computer.
78's, wow, haven't played any of those in a long time. I had a lot of Beach Boys, Beatles, Stones, Cream, etc on LP's that I used to play on my Harmon Kardon turntable. Sadly a failed marriage years ago caused me to lose most of those.
I still might have the turntable in good shape. I'll hunt around and see if it's in some of the stuff from the move just in case you need it, not doing me any good.
Propaganda from the early 40's.... a little before my time, I'm just a youngster, a '46 baby. A direct result of My Father and Mother being happy the war was over and the Navy releasing my Dad to finish school.
Might be interested in seeing a copy of the Capra tape. I'm about to schedule ACL surgery and I'm rounding up reading and viewing pleasures for my convalescence.
78's, wow, haven't played any of those in a long time. I had a lot of Beach Boys, Beatles, Stones, Cream, etc on LP's that I used to play on my Harmon Kardon turntable. Sadly a failed marriage years ago caused me to lose most of those.
I still might have the turntable in good shape. I'll hunt around and see if it's in some of the stuff from the move just in case you need it, not doing me any good.
Propaganda from the early 40's.... a little before my time, I'm just a youngster, a '46 baby. A direct result of My Father and Mother being happy the war was over and the Navy releasing my Dad to finish school.
Might be interested in seeing a copy of the Capra tape. I'm about to schedule ACL surgery and I'm rounding up reading and viewing pleasures for my convalescence.