http://www.msnbc.com/news/986318.asp

I saw this on the news last night...this makes me so mad. If any of you didnt see the report they had video of these nutcases singing their own version of "God Bless America", only instead of God Bless they were singing "God Hates America." They also talked about how Gods hates homosexuals and how all those who disobey God are all going to hell.

Im not going to get into whether or not homosexuality is a sin, that is a different debate, but the fact is that we all sin. We all disobey God at one time or another. These nutjobs need to learn how to take the log out of their own eye before worrying about the speck in another's eye.

 

Nutcase is in the house, nutcase is in the house Woooooooo Hooooooooo…

Yep, he is a bit on the nut side. I do not attend church, but I do believe in God and have read a little bit of the bible when I was a kid.

Things I got from that, God loves everybody, even liberals and anyone can go to heaven if they ask to. I imagine God does not like some behavior or sins over others but then again he needs some people to feed others grapes and things, clean up messes and such, so once we get there we will find our job assignments.

There are always really good jobs and then the really chitty jobs…

I am shooting for the middle and towards the good jobs…

 

'01 when you go to your reward you will need three things:

your rubber gloves
your shovel
and your backup shovel.

 

And yet another reason why I do not like organized religion.

It is moronic statements like that which is part of the reason why so many people are turned off by religion and the belief of a god.

Well being rusty on my Bible and scriptures, I still am 100% positive that the Bible (refering to christian Bible) does not say nor imply that " all it means is that people are going to go to hell if they disobey God". Rather it states very clearly what 01 already stated, that those believe in God and ask get it, those who do not don't. Pretty simple concept, how it gets interpretted different I haven't clue. Hopefully this b@#ch will get the karma thats coming to her.

As for God hating gays, I don't recall ever reading in the Bible that He hates the person themselves, just the lifestyle.

 

Im not a big scripture person but I am very strong in my faith and I also believe strongly in organized religion. Rev. Phelps is no different than Hitler (well, except in the fact that Phelps hasnt exterminated 6 million people), in that they hijacked a religion and used it to further their agenda and hate message. This is the same way that Osama Bin Laden and all of his kooks have hijacked Islam.

They all take one little piece and twist it, turn it, shape it to back up their hate. Bible verses are very much like statistics, you can basically use them to say/back up whatever you want.

Rev. Phelps and others like him have absolutely nothing to do with organized religion, they are a fringe group that get all the publicity and give us regular church-folk a very bad name/image.

Captainoblivious: I believe the saying goes (I think it is related to a Bible verse), that God "Hates the sin, but loves the sinner."

 

See that I disagree with. I associate the church with organized religion, and if he is a Rev. that means he is part of a church.

My bet is that we are not going to hear anything in the news about "regular church-folk " opposing him/his beliefs. And as a result of the general public not seeing that happen, people like Rev Phelps will continue to give the churches a bad name/image because the general public will apply the 'guilt be association' principle.


Thats what I was looking for.

 

I am with the Captain on this that the Rev. is part of organized religion. This is where the others in the organization need to get rid of the Rev. for it is the RIGHT thing to do. Make the religion correct by getting rid of those that hijack it for their own reasons.

Same with these terriost wussy coward freaks. They take a small part of a particular religion, hijack it and make it something it really isn’t for their own personal reasons.

This Rev has got to go…


Raoul:
I am really hoping for a much better job then something to do with a shovel. I use a shovel a lot on earth, you know the liberal BS, so I really believe once I get upstairs that God will straighten out them liberal rascals so no shovels will be needed…

 

I know we all had a pretty good discussion on who believed and who didn't in a different thread BUT the Bible has absolutely nothing positive to say about homosexuality.
Bottom ( ) line is "No Fudgepacking allowed"

From Corinthians 1 - 6

Of course, as others have rightly pointed out, you can interpret Bible passages any way you like but this is obviously where the Rev is coming from.
Honestly, I think he is just being a troublemaker and a self-publicist but this is where they will use a legal argument that if the ten Commandments are OK then so will be a memorial to the death of Shepard as they are quoting from the same source material (Bible)
You probably can't have one without the other if you want to uphold free speech regardless of whether you agree with their sentiments or not.

 

BINGO!

Lot's of information about the Rev. Phelps is available here.
http://cjonline.com/webindepth/phelps/

FWIW, his congregation is mostly family members.

 

The topic of this thread being that this guy who has "Rev." in front of his name wants to put up a monument to bigotry and hate, I would like to clearly come down on the side that says this is one of the most repulsive ideas ever to come down in the name of Christianity. MN4X4, you have it right.

Sun Myung Moon calls himself Reverend. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson call themselves Reverend. Just because this clown calls himself "reverend" doesn't mean he has been vetted by any qualified and self-regulating body of believers. While not wanting to throw rocks at Baptists, I should point out that "Baptist" churches do not exercise much centralized authority over the occassional nut cases in their midst, and this guy is a nut case.

Someone has noted that the bible is pretty clear that homosexuality is wrong. Amen. But it also says that he who is without sin gets to throw the first stone, and the "good reverend" is most certainly not without sin. President Bush handled the issue pretty well, I thought, when he observed that someone like himself should not be expected to agree with same-sex marriages.

Throwing this guy in with "organized religion" and thinking that therefore all organized religion is hokum, is, well, hokum. Put the shoe on the other foot. Charles Manson was not from organized religion, Charles Manson was a sick, deranged man, therefore all who are not in an organized religion are sick and deranged?

Those who would chuck "organized religion" because of those whom "organized religion" is also embarassed just aren't thinking straight. It looks to me like such people are just trying to find an excuse not to submit to the claims of that "organized religion"

What are those claims? God made you and I to live a certain way, and somehow we think living another way is better, so we have refused, repeatedly, to live God's way. God, through Christ has said "hey, you have it wrong, and while I (God) just cannot allow Myself to be perverted down to your (and TexasSteve's) level, I will accept the blood of my own son (Jesus) as punishment for your rebellion. All you (and TS) has to do is acknowlege that such was necessary, and that the idea you (and TS) had to go your own way was really stupid. It was so stupid, that it is time to clean up your act and live like I have been telling you to, because I made you to be happiest, most effective, and healthiest if you do live that way.

Those are fairly easy claims. Why don't you take Him up on them?

TS

 

Exactly why I brought up the Bible and how it references as MN4X4 said, "Hates the sin, but loves the sinner."

The passage you quoted is a perfect example and I can see how someone can miss-interpret that, especially when it stands alone. Claiming to be a Rev and man of God (who know in this wackos case) they have many other passages which should clear up the interpretation issue on anyone with a functional brain.

Good point, in this case we don't know if he was appointed or not, but still the fact is that he claims to be a Rev and has followers. In the eyes of the average American, he is part of an organized religion.
The same thing can said for many religions. And it is personally something I would like to see occur, religious bodies taking a stand against those wackos that are giving them a bad name.



01sport - I checked out that link, wacko is a deserving title for this guy.


I have to say, with all of the recent religious discussions on this board, I've been very surprised at how it's been handled. Most of the debates have been handled maturely and respectfully, not something you see when religion and debates are involved, especially on the net.

 

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