Lets talk guns.
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Originally posted by canyonslicker
Why do you own a firearm?
Why do you own a firearm?
But seriously, I'm a contractor and carry fair amounts of cash regularly. As such, I feel the Glock .45 I have under the drivers seat of my truck gives me a fighting chance of surviving a robbery attempt. Luckily, I haven't been faced with that situation as yet [**Knock wood**].
-Mike-
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i want this one...
http://www.securityarms.com/20010315.../1200/1224.htm
by the way... Security arms is a great site for gun enthusiasts
http://www.securityarms.com/20010315.../1200/1224.htm
by the way... Security arms is a great site for gun enthusiasts
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savageyzf,
I see you reload and have a .40 Glock - ever had/know anyone who has had problems (i.e. - the storied kaboom) with this combo?
what sort of training have you had in long range shooting? For most hunters, a 1000 yd shot on a deer whould be irresponsible.
I see you reload and have a .40 Glock - ever had/know anyone who has had problems (i.e. - the storied kaboom) with this combo?
what sort of training have you had in long range shooting? For most hunters, a 1000 yd shot on a deer whould be irresponsible.
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Originally posted by BigDeal
Deer rifle there bloomquist??????
-Mike-
Deer rifle there bloomquist??????
-Mike-
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Originally posted by savageyzf
Jesus I don't think there is enough room.
Lets see
Handguns:
9 mm Sig 239 (Conceal and Carry Gun)
9mm Glock 17 (Target practice)
40 cal Glock 22(Carry in my truck)
40 cal Glock converted into .357 sig (just bad ***)
Ruger Mark II Government Target/ Bull Barrel 6"(To write my name where ever)
Ruger 44 Superblack Hawk (deer hunting)
Para Ordanance .45 P-14 (Just for fun)
SW Model 586 .357 4"(usual side arm while deer hunting with a rifle)
SW Model 686 .357 6" (Stainless)
Taurus Raging Bull .454 Casull (car dissasembly)
Shotguns
Remington 870 Pump 12 (3"mag) guage, modified, 3 shot exstension, Sqeeze Spot light, Aftermarket Stock(Home defense)
Remington 870 super express 3 1/2 inch mag 12 guage (Blasting birds outta the stratosphere)
Remington 870 Wingmaster 20 guage(when I get tired of lugging a 12 guage all day, this is nice and light)
Remington 1100 2 3/4 inch (Old dove gun)
Berretta 390 12 guage 3" mag (New dove gun)
Rifles
Remington model 700 .300 Winmag (Elk) Leupold 3x9 Vari X III
Remington model 700 .270 (Deer)Leupold 3x9 Vari X II
Remington model 760 pump .30-.06 (Favorite Deer Rifle) Leupold 4X
Ruger 10/22 (fun)
Ruger 10/22 with scope (birds)
Savage 22(Super Target, hammering stubborn nails)
Remington 22 bolt action (Target)
Marlin .44 lever action( For empty beer cans, armidillos, racoons)
Marlin .30-.30 336 CS (Issued with my trucks)
Savage 22-250 112 BVDS bull barrel with harris bi-pod and Leupold 3.5-20x dot scope...(for dogs and cats and rodents at long range)
New England Arms .45-70 Rolling block. (This is just a fun gun. Can't hit the broad side of a barn with it, even if you are standing inside with all the doors and windows shut, but it definatley packs a whammy)
Chinese SKS 7.62x39 (30 round chainsaw)
I know I forgot a few, but that is enough for now.
I also reload all of my ammunition, well not the .22's of course.
I have several presses and usually work out my own custom loads per rifle. I trim my cases, and use Sierra Spitzer Game King bullets for hunting as well as Hornady Ballistic Tip.
For pistol bullets I pretty much stick to Hornady XTP. I sometimes will use Speer or other brands. I use alot of lead bullets for pistols also, like 148 grain wadcutters. Or semi was cutters
Powders, I use Winchester for Pistol, usually 231 for 9mm or 296 for the magnums. Bullseye for .38 and .40 cal
For Rifle I use Hodgen 4831sc for the .270 and 30-06
I use so many for so many things I cannot list them all...lets just say i am sitting on a powder keg.
I generally target shoot. Some people play golf. I shoot. I get asked why I have so many guns. I usually reply, why does a golfer have so many clubs? Each gun is for a specific purpose and used to drive a ball of lead at different ranges and speeds. Just like different clubs. I love it. Its my past time and heritage. I like to know I can feed my family if all hell breaks loose or defend myself. I like the satisfaction of knowing I built my own ammunition and fired it onto a target and have the best grouping on the range. Its personal satisfaction.
Best Shot? hmmm that is a tough one. I suppose the one that sticks in mind is one that was over a 1000 yards away on a small 4 point buck deer I shot in the neck with a .30-06 180 grain Sierra Spitzer boat tail. I was using my Remington model 760 pump. I saw it while scoping the land out. There was no way to see this with the naked eye. I was on top of a ridge in South West Texas (Ozona) and scanning the canyon floor below. I was about 500ft up from the floor that spread out before me. There was absolutley no wind. I put the the very bottom of the vertical cross hair on the back of the deer and slowly squeezed the trigger. There are five witnesses that saw this. I was laying in the military style prone position when I fired. It took almost 2 seconds for the bullet to hit. I was able to recover from the recoil of the gun, and watch through the scope as the bullet hit. I watched in complete amazement as the deer flipped up and around and then fell to the ground stone cold dead. The vaccuum of gasps behind me was all I needed to know that I had made one hell of a shot. I was hunting with my boss and it was his deer lease. He always knew I could shoot and I proved it earlier that morning by shooting a doe at 400 yards that was at a dead run. He treated me allot different after that trip. Seemed to be allot nicer. I guess he didn't want to **** me off or something lol.
All in all I capped 4 deer in four shots and tagged out in two days.
Best year I ever had deer hunting. And best shot I have ever made. Witnesses are still alive and well today to back that one up. Lets just say it took 20 minutes to walk down to the deer.
Best pistol shooting was with my 9mm glock shooting metal plates at 75 yards. We do this every year. Now I have been in more arguments over this then with any other gun. Most people, including the Millitary will say the effective range of a 9mm is about 40 yards max. I start telling people that my best friend and I shoot them at 75 yards, almost always brings out the hip waters and the red bs flags. He has the same problem. PPL think we are full of chit. We have measured the distance to a tee. We set the first plate up, they measure 4"x8" at 25 yards and work are way back from right to left till we get to the last plate (10 in all) that we set up at exactly 75 yards. You gotta knock them over. ANd you are only allowed one magazine with 14 rounds. We usually fire Russian 9mm 115 grn hardball. I will invite anyone on this Forum to come to Texas and give it a try or just watch. We have a 100 acre track where we can shoot out in East Texas 15 miles East of Jasper in a small town called Newton.
I prefer a 30-06 Pump for deer hunting. Why? Fast follow up shots, heavy .30 cal to get through the brush. I hunt in a thick heavily forested area. I prefer a .357 mag for a side arm. One reason, for personal defense against hogs, coyotes, rednecks that think my deer would look better in the back of their truck and so forth. Another reason is to finish off a wounded deer. Its quick and painless and not as devestating as a point blank range shot from a high powered rifle.
Muzzle break on a .223? LOL....heh umm that is as pointless as ***** on a hog. I guess if you are shooting rapid fire competition, it might have its advantages, but there is so little recoil I'd have to fire it myself just to see. It would depend on the gun. Weight, action, and so forth. I guess it would be like chryo cooling your barrels. Is there really an advantage?
I guess that will just about wrap it up for now. I'm sure questions will follow.
Jesus I don't think there is enough room.
Lets see
Handguns:
9 mm Sig 239 (Conceal and Carry Gun)
9mm Glock 17 (Target practice)
40 cal Glock 22(Carry in my truck)
40 cal Glock converted into .357 sig (just bad ***)
Ruger Mark II Government Target/ Bull Barrel 6"(To write my name where ever)
Ruger 44 Superblack Hawk (deer hunting)
Para Ordanance .45 P-14 (Just for fun)
SW Model 586 .357 4"(usual side arm while deer hunting with a rifle)
SW Model 686 .357 6" (Stainless)
Taurus Raging Bull .454 Casull (car dissasembly)
Shotguns
Remington 870 Pump 12 (3"mag) guage, modified, 3 shot exstension, Sqeeze Spot light, Aftermarket Stock(Home defense)
Remington 870 super express 3 1/2 inch mag 12 guage (Blasting birds outta the stratosphere)
Remington 870 Wingmaster 20 guage(when I get tired of lugging a 12 guage all day, this is nice and light)
Remington 1100 2 3/4 inch (Old dove gun)
Berretta 390 12 guage 3" mag (New dove gun)
Rifles
Remington model 700 .300 Winmag (Elk) Leupold 3x9 Vari X III
Remington model 700 .270 (Deer)Leupold 3x9 Vari X II
Remington model 760 pump .30-.06 (Favorite Deer Rifle) Leupold 4X
Ruger 10/22 (fun)
Ruger 10/22 with scope (birds)
Savage 22(Super Target, hammering stubborn nails)
Remington 22 bolt action (Target)
Marlin .44 lever action( For empty beer cans, armidillos, racoons)
Marlin .30-.30 336 CS (Issued with my trucks)
Savage 22-250 112 BVDS bull barrel with harris bi-pod and Leupold 3.5-20x dot scope...(for dogs and cats and rodents at long range)
New England Arms .45-70 Rolling block. (This is just a fun gun. Can't hit the broad side of a barn with it, even if you are standing inside with all the doors and windows shut, but it definatley packs a whammy)
Chinese SKS 7.62x39 (30 round chainsaw)
I know I forgot a few, but that is enough for now.
I also reload all of my ammunition, well not the .22's of course.
I have several presses and usually work out my own custom loads per rifle. I trim my cases, and use Sierra Spitzer Game King bullets for hunting as well as Hornady Ballistic Tip.
For pistol bullets I pretty much stick to Hornady XTP. I sometimes will use Speer or other brands. I use alot of lead bullets for pistols also, like 148 grain wadcutters. Or semi was cutters
Powders, I use Winchester for Pistol, usually 231 for 9mm or 296 for the magnums. Bullseye for .38 and .40 cal
For Rifle I use Hodgen 4831sc for the .270 and 30-06
I use so many for so many things I cannot list them all...lets just say i am sitting on a powder keg.
I generally target shoot. Some people play golf. I shoot. I get asked why I have so many guns. I usually reply, why does a golfer have so many clubs? Each gun is for a specific purpose and used to drive a ball of lead at different ranges and speeds. Just like different clubs. I love it. Its my past time and heritage. I like to know I can feed my family if all hell breaks loose or defend myself. I like the satisfaction of knowing I built my own ammunition and fired it onto a target and have the best grouping on the range. Its personal satisfaction.
Best Shot? hmmm that is a tough one. I suppose the one that sticks in mind is one that was over a 1000 yards away on a small 4 point buck deer I shot in the neck with a .30-06 180 grain Sierra Spitzer boat tail. I was using my Remington model 760 pump. I saw it while scoping the land out. There was no way to see this with the naked eye. I was on top of a ridge in South West Texas (Ozona) and scanning the canyon floor below. I was about 500ft up from the floor that spread out before me. There was absolutley no wind. I put the the very bottom of the vertical cross hair on the back of the deer and slowly squeezed the trigger. There are five witnesses that saw this. I was laying in the military style prone position when I fired. It took almost 2 seconds for the bullet to hit. I was able to recover from the recoil of the gun, and watch through the scope as the bullet hit. I watched in complete amazement as the deer flipped up and around and then fell to the ground stone cold dead. The vaccuum of gasps behind me was all I needed to know that I had made one hell of a shot. I was hunting with my boss and it was his deer lease. He always knew I could shoot and I proved it earlier that morning by shooting a doe at 400 yards that was at a dead run. He treated me allot different after that trip. Seemed to be allot nicer. I guess he didn't want to **** me off or something lol.
All in all I capped 4 deer in four shots and tagged out in two days.
Best year I ever had deer hunting. And best shot I have ever made. Witnesses are still alive and well today to back that one up. Lets just say it took 20 minutes to walk down to the deer.
Best pistol shooting was with my 9mm glock shooting metal plates at 75 yards. We do this every year. Now I have been in more arguments over this then with any other gun. Most people, including the Millitary will say the effective range of a 9mm is about 40 yards max. I start telling people that my best friend and I shoot them at 75 yards, almost always brings out the hip waters and the red bs flags. He has the same problem. PPL think we are full of chit. We have measured the distance to a tee. We set the first plate up, they measure 4"x8" at 25 yards and work are way back from right to left till we get to the last plate (10 in all) that we set up at exactly 75 yards. You gotta knock them over. ANd you are only allowed one magazine with 14 rounds. We usually fire Russian 9mm 115 grn hardball. I will invite anyone on this Forum to come to Texas and give it a try or just watch. We have a 100 acre track where we can shoot out in East Texas 15 miles East of Jasper in a small town called Newton.
I prefer a 30-06 Pump for deer hunting. Why? Fast follow up shots, heavy .30 cal to get through the brush. I hunt in a thick heavily forested area. I prefer a .357 mag for a side arm. One reason, for personal defense against hogs, coyotes, rednecks that think my deer would look better in the back of their truck and so forth. Another reason is to finish off a wounded deer. Its quick and painless and not as devestating as a point blank range shot from a high powered rifle.
Muzzle break on a .223? LOL....heh umm that is as pointless as ***** on a hog. I guess if you are shooting rapid fire competition, it might have its advantages, but there is so little recoil I'd have to fire it myself just to see. It would depend on the gun. Weight, action, and so forth. I guess it would be like chryo cooling your barrels. Is there really an advantage?
I guess that will just about wrap it up for now. I'm sure questions will follow.
Nice lineup! You need even more now
Glocks are nice to conceal carry too. I love my 17!
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Originally posted by 36fan
savageyzf,
I see you reload and have a .40 Glock - ever had/know anyone who has had problems (i.e. - the storied kaboom) with this combo?
what sort of training have you had in long range shooting? For most hunters, a 1000 yd shot on a deer whould be irresponsible.
savageyzf,
I see you reload and have a .40 Glock - ever had/know anyone who has had problems (i.e. - the storied kaboom) with this combo?
what sort of training have you had in long range shooting? For most hunters, a 1000 yd shot on a deer whould be irresponsible.
Military, competition, sniper training, Gun Clubs, lots of practice.
I shoot my 22-250 @ 500 yards all the time. People I know shoot .243's @ 1000 yards all day long. And further.
A 1000 yard shot to most of my friends with a 30-06 is cheating. To have a nice heavy 180 grn .30cal bullet is not even fair.
A .243 at 85 grns in 6mm is impressive.
Now if it had been a .308 it would be more impressive. THey are ballistically equivalent to a 30-06 the first 500 yards. But the bullet drop at 1000 yards is measured in feet.
And my Father n Law is the state champion 1000 yard shooter for the M1 garand. I learn alot from him. And he does it without scopes. AND .308 calibre. If you think I can shoot, I can't hold a candle to this man. I wouldn't feel safe from him until I was about 5 miles away, and I would still wonder.
To shoot long range, you need a good barrel, a steady hand and extreme trigger control. Most shots (95%) are fouled by the way you pull the trigger. Most of my guns have after market triggers such as Shilen. They are all set to under 2 lbs. I would not reccomend doing that with a factory trigger at all. It would be very dangerous. Most of my father in laws triggers cost over 300.00 and are set in the .oz range. A good Shilen target trigger runs about $120.00 and are made in Ennis Texas, about an hour and 45 minutes from where I live. I learned along time ago, if you can see it, you can shoot it. Just gotta have the experience, the patience, the dicipline and the equiptment.
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savage....
have you shot an M1 Garand??? I'm absolutely DYING to shoot one. all this talk is making me want to go to the local range. but sadly...all i have is a 12 gauge with a broken fore-grip and a .38 revolver. *sigh*
both of which have no ammo
have you shot an M1 Garand??? I'm absolutely DYING to shoot one. all this talk is making me want to go to the local range. but sadly...all i have is a 12 gauge with a broken fore-grip and a .38 revolver. *sigh*
both of which have no ammo
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And to answer your first question second, I can say at this time no evidence has ever been linked to powder detonating and damaging, injuring, or doing anything without some outside force acting upon it. I must say given my experience,(I have been handloading since I was 8 years old and I am now 35) that most if not all Kabooms are a mixture of either negligence, improper settings, lack of education, or the lack of comprehension when reading. What is not a part of that would be aftermarket parts, or a flaw in the manufacturing process.
Now there has been much debate over the use of lead bullets and what not, with the polyoganal barrels and leading (as in bullet lead not in leading a person on) issues. Barrel leading can be a problem over time. Just keep it clean with a good Bore cleaner that will remove leading.
I personnaly have fired over 10,000 rounds out of my model 17.
50% reloaded, and 50% factory russian ammo. Wich is extremely hot. Of the 50% that was reloaded, about 50% of that where lead bullets. Usually about 124 grains. What makes a 9mm so dangerous to reload as well as the .40 cal, is the fact the powder is super fast. Its like TNT. There are some powders you can mis- measure and come out o.k..ie your hand is still attached to your body, gun might even fire again.....but with pistol powder, its alot different.
First of all you are dealing with small amounts. 4,5,6, 8 grains of powder. It will barely fill a 9mm case half way. Its very easy to do what we call double charge. This means you dump twice the amount of powder into the case. In a 9mm, .40cal or even a .45 auto, this would be fatal to any gun. And could also seriously injure the shooter or maybe even kill the shooter as well as the person next to him.
With slower burning powders that are used in magnums, you use allot more. Say like the 9mm with 115 round nose full metal jacket (9mm RNFMJ) would take about 5.6 grains of Winchester 231. A .357 magnum would use 19.8 grains of 296 OR 9.8 grains of 231. I purposely DO NOT use 231 in a magnum. If I where to double charge and put in 20.6 grains of 231 it would not only blow up the gun, it would severley injure or kill me, as well as the person next to me. There is no way to double charge with 296. It would spill out all over the floor. A good idea is to find a powder that basicaly fills up the case on the first charge. THat way an accidental double charge would spill out all over the place and you'd know something was wrong.
I can almost guarantee you that anyone that has blown up a glock had extra hot ammunition in there. Or they got what is called a squibb load. This is when only the primer fires, and 1) does not detonate the powder or 2)no powder was put in the case to detonate. Either way what happens is the bullet leaves the case to become imbedded in the barrel just from the pressure developed by the primer. When you fire the gun again, and its a normal round, it smacks into the now blocked barrel and all kinds or things happen. Bad things.
The overwhelming majority of blown Glocks are from lead or poor quality reloads. A few are from bad factory loads and a few from defective aftermarket parts. I generally shoot plated bullets myself. Much cheaper then Full jacket. Its just lead plated with copper. It stops lead buildup. You have to deal with copper fouling but its so small that it affects the accuracy more then the functionality.
I hope this answers your question 36fan
Now there has been much debate over the use of lead bullets and what not, with the polyoganal barrels and leading (as in bullet lead not in leading a person on) issues. Barrel leading can be a problem over time. Just keep it clean with a good Bore cleaner that will remove leading.
I personnaly have fired over 10,000 rounds out of my model 17.
50% reloaded, and 50% factory russian ammo. Wich is extremely hot. Of the 50% that was reloaded, about 50% of that where lead bullets. Usually about 124 grains. What makes a 9mm so dangerous to reload as well as the .40 cal, is the fact the powder is super fast. Its like TNT. There are some powders you can mis- measure and come out o.k..ie your hand is still attached to your body, gun might even fire again.....but with pistol powder, its alot different.
First of all you are dealing with small amounts. 4,5,6, 8 grains of powder. It will barely fill a 9mm case half way. Its very easy to do what we call double charge. This means you dump twice the amount of powder into the case. In a 9mm, .40cal or even a .45 auto, this would be fatal to any gun. And could also seriously injure the shooter or maybe even kill the shooter as well as the person next to him.
With slower burning powders that are used in magnums, you use allot more. Say like the 9mm with 115 round nose full metal jacket (9mm RNFMJ) would take about 5.6 grains of Winchester 231. A .357 magnum would use 19.8 grains of 296 OR 9.8 grains of 231. I purposely DO NOT use 231 in a magnum. If I where to double charge and put in 20.6 grains of 231 it would not only blow up the gun, it would severley injure or kill me, as well as the person next to me. There is no way to double charge with 296. It would spill out all over the floor. A good idea is to find a powder that basicaly fills up the case on the first charge. THat way an accidental double charge would spill out all over the place and you'd know something was wrong.
I can almost guarantee you that anyone that has blown up a glock had extra hot ammunition in there. Or they got what is called a squibb load. This is when only the primer fires, and 1) does not detonate the powder or 2)no powder was put in the case to detonate. Either way what happens is the bullet leaves the case to become imbedded in the barrel just from the pressure developed by the primer. When you fire the gun again, and its a normal round, it smacks into the now blocked barrel and all kinds or things happen. Bad things.
The overwhelming majority of blown Glocks are from lead or poor quality reloads. A few are from bad factory loads and a few from defective aftermarket parts. I generally shoot plated bullets myself. Much cheaper then Full jacket. Its just lead plated with copper. It stops lead buildup. You have to deal with copper fouling but its so small that it affects the accuracy more then the functionality.
I hope this answers your question 36fan
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Originally posted by wannanicecar
savage....
have you shot an M1 Garand??? I'm absolutely DYING to shoot one. all this talk is making me want to go to the local range. but sadly...all i have is a 12 gauge with a broken fore-grip and a .38 revolver. *sigh* both of which have no ammo
savage....
have you shot an M1 Garand??? I'm absolutely DYING to shoot one. all this talk is making me want to go to the local range. but sadly...all i have is a 12 gauge with a broken fore-grip and a .38 revolver. *sigh*
both of which have no ammo
Second fun thing would be an H&K sqeeze ****er.
Hang around gun ranges enough, and get to know people, you end up firing all kinds of things. Being in the Military, I got to shoot all kinds of weapons. Including tanks. My MOSQ was 45 golf. Fire control systems repair on the M1 abrams tank. Nothing like slinging a 105mm projecticle at 4000 fps. Scares that crap out of you the first time though.
Hell I even got to fire the old .45 cal grease gun at one time.
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Originally posted by savageyzf
Yes I have. I think I have shot just about one of everything at one time or another. The funnest thing I have ever fired was the M2 .50 cal machine gun.
Second fun thing would be an H&K sqeeze ****er.
Hang around gun ranges enough, and get to know people, you end up firing all kinds of things. Being in the Military, I got to shoot all kinds of weapons. Including tanks. My MOSQ was 45 golf. Fire control systems repair on the M1 abrams tank. Nothing like slinging a 105mm projecticle at 4000 fps. Scares that crap out of you the first time though.
Hell I even got to fire the old .45 cal grease gun at one time.
Yes I have. I think I have shot just about one of everything at one time or another. The funnest thing I have ever fired was the M2 .50 cal machine gun.
Second fun thing would be an H&K sqeeze ****er.
Hang around gun ranges enough, and get to know people, you end up firing all kinds of things. Being in the Military, I got to shoot all kinds of weapons. Including tanks. My MOSQ was 45 golf. Fire control systems repair on the M1 abrams tank. Nothing like slinging a 105mm projecticle at 4000 fps. Scares that crap out of you the first time though.
Hell I even got to fire the old .45 cal grease gun at one time.
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Originally posted by GearHead_1
https://www.f150online.com/galleries...3967-63115.jpg
Here's a few, nuff said!
https://www.f150online.com/galleries...3967-63115.jpg
Here's a few, nuff said!
Umm 1 question....why the FAL instead of AR-10?
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Why not both? I have several FAL's/FNC's just not in the picture, I love Armalite (AR 10 and AR 50)! By the way, that FNC, middle left of the picture, goes bang, bang, bang, bang with 1 squeeze.
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