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i am so sick of all this, i will be glad when it all gets done with.

 

Libom, I heard it may never be "done". Ford and several other car manufacturers are thinking of not making any more White or Black vehicles, not wanting to offend any potential buyers.

 

Confederate flags or symbols do not belong on U.S. or state goverment buildings.Not for racial reasons because I dont believe the confederate flag is a symbol of racism but for the reason that this is the U.S. not the Confederacy.Now before you southern guys jump all over me let me explain.I have no problem with southern pride and a guys right to fly the confederate flag be it on a t-shirt or on the roof of a Dodge charger or whatever I just think a flag on a government building should be representative of the government.This is one country not 2 and particularlly now we should act as one.All those soldiers in forign countries that we are all so proud of dont think in terms of North and South we are all Americans.

 

but most of these flags were not the confederate flags they were the state flags that would take part of it. and it is about pride, when we lost the flag to what we have now all the gripers were happy until it was over, and then they said they didnt want the flag on it at all. it was just a tiny one on the bottom. it was the past flags, but these people that came up with it and got it passed decided it wasnt good enough. people are never happy. but since this is america we the people should have got to vote on this issue a long time ago. but we have the gripers who are fighting for us to not get to vote on it because they know they will lose. but isnt that the fair way to do it ?

and if we are all supposed to be one why do we need the state flags at all. why not just have the american flag ?

 

States have every right to have what ever flag they want. I think, and I am sure it is up to the people of the state as to what their flag may have on it, and how it will look. If not it should be up to the people.

It should also be MAJORITY rule, if there are a few that don’t like it then tough sh*t they can just get over it because it is MAJORITY rule, not minority. If some in that state feel so strong about not liking their state flag then they have a very simple choice, MOVE out of state to another one. Last time I checked everyone has the right to move from state to state.

This is NOT about the flag, but about political groups trying to one up on the other. It was a DEMOCRAT that first flew this (supposed) offending flag. Where were all the “poor” minority groups then who were offended?

These poor little offended groups need to SHUT UP or PACK UP…

 

We are all one Country and States should have there own State flags but they should not incorporate the symbol of another country which is what the confederacy would be had things gone differently 150 years ago.Im trying to chose my words carefully here and not **** off the southerners so try to think of it this way .The 13 colonies that went to war with England for independance do not nor never did fly Union Jacks on government buildings but Im sure there were plenty of proud English decendants living there.Its just my opinoin and I may be wrong and I want to stress that I in no way want to insult proud southerners.

 

There is a difference between "state" and "federal" goverenments. Therefore there is nothing wrong with flying a "state" flag on a "state" goverenment building. It is not paid for by the federal goverenment but by "local" state tax payers.

It should ONLY be that states business on what flag they want to fly on their state goverenment building. It is neither any other state nor the federal goverenments business what the design is.

 

I disagree with you. It was and is the same country. The main reason for the civil war was over slavery. Illregardless how that war turned out it would still be the same country, America.

It is not like there is a state flying a flag that looks like the flag from the country of Iraq.

 

This whole situation is nothing but some people wanting to open OLD wounds. It, in my opinion, is just not going to work anymore. People are tired of hearing the whining about slavery and how some American’s of color “think” they deserve a paycheck for something that DID NOT happen to them, or their parents, or grand parents.

The fact is these American’s of color are NOT going to get any check or any money what so ever. I am not about to pay someone for something I did not do, nor my parents, nor my grandparents. If they can find some actual slaves, and slave owners it still wouldn’t matter.

Thought I do not like the idea of slavery, it was legal at the time. It was a Republican president that ended it with thousands of “white” American deaths who believed that slaves should be free. Why is there not anybody crying about giving money to all those that died to set slaves free.

No, I am not sorry if I sound harsh because I am telling it like it is. The only people that are repressed in this country are those that wish to be. The only people that are held back in this country are those that wish to be. The only ones in this country that are uneducated, for the most part, are those that wish to be. It is the same for welfare, the majority of them, I would guess 75% are on welfare because they wish to be.

So to all that “think” they are being repressed and held back I say “get over it” because you are NOT going to see any money, so if they wish to continue whining about it I would like to know so I can buy stock in Kleenex.

In other words that is the basis over this entire BS about the flag. There is NO real logic behind it except for some to use it for future “hand outs”.

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by 01 XLT Sport
[B]I disagree with you. It was and is the same country. The main reason for the civil war was over slavery. Illregardless how that war turned out it would still be the same country, America.

No it would not be the same country if the Confederacy won the civil war.There would be 2 countries ,the confererate states declared succesion(spelling)from the U.S. They had a president Jefferson Davis and a capitol Richmond V.A.
The main reason for the war was not slavery it was over economic differences between the Industialized north and the agricultural south, I wish I could be more specific but I cant remember the actual facts right now but I do know slavery was a secondary issue.

 

slavery was secondary first was states rights. the thing that makes me ill about all this is the reason we are losing all these things are supposedly because of racism. it is said every time we see a confederate flag we think of the civil war and slavery. i even heard this on tv a little while ago about the flag on the top of the general lee.(dukes of hazard) im just tired of everything being about racism because that is what this is all about, atleast here in GA that is. its all such crap and some people dont want to forget anything because in some way it gains them something extra.


afterthought : the one who fought to rid of a slavery (lincoln) had just as many slaves and children from slaves as the next guy southerner.

 

Here's the info.....

Economic Oppression

And here....
Look Here

We have been raised to think that the Civil War was fought over slavery. Wrong! The North was economically oppressing the South and they had a right to fight back.

With regard to the Ga state flag... Government officials are such wusses that at the first sign of some black person getting pissed off, they fold! No one in gov has any ***** to stand up for what is right! And that right is to allow ALL the people of Georgia to vote on whether or not to keep the flag! This is a government FOR THE PEOPLE, and we were excluded from taking part.

I will always support the flag with the Confederate Cross, however, if the people of GA were allowed to vote, and changed it, that's ok. At least it would have been done right and not run through the senate under our noses by that liberal bed-wetter Roy Barnes.

 

I would agree with that. The way I understand it, and could be wrong, is the two issues are linked.

Yes there was economics involved one side wanted slaves because there was basically no labor cost. If they had to actually pay labor cost they would have possible gone broke, or made little money. That is why I look at it as slavery was the main issue and the others were a part of that main issue including states rights.

The states believed they themselves had the right to determine if they could have and continue with slavery since the constitution did not specifically address the slavery issue.

I am personally glad that there is no longer slavery, as I said I believe it was wrong. However what many forget it that is how it was in those times. America was not the first country to have slaves. As a matter of fact there were slaves in Africa at the time slaves were being brought to America.

What I do not understand is those that bitch about their ancestors being slaves here but yet “willing” neglect to mention that in their ancestors home country they were many more slaves there during that time.

Though President Lincoln owned slaves is, in my opinion, mute to the point that he fought to free slaves. However I will say it is fair for one to complain or bring that fact to life. They should stand ready to also bring to light the same kind of things going on today.

For example that Kennedy environmental freak going around bitching about SUV’S and getting bad fuel mileage but yet the nut case goes around flying on private jets sucking up much more fuel then 20 SUV’S at one time traveling the same distance. He also owns an SUV and other gas hog vehicles. The problem is some people don’t seem to have the ball’s to call him on it, like some would call Lincoln a “Republican” president setting slaves free on the fact that he had slaves.

Republican’s have done much more for the minority in this country then all the democrats have done on a whole. Democrats, liberals specifically want to do NOTHING except have an issue.

They use a flag as an issue yet have no “real” solutions to their “fantasized” problem. It is just that a fantasized problem, as I have stated those that are repressed in this country are repressed because they “choose” to be so.

 

If I was in goverenment and one came whining to me I would hand them a tissue and tell them to "move on" they are blocking progress...