The reason he is a danger is “our” fault? Where is the logic in that? Have you ever heard of “personal responsibility”?

You logic would state:

“If Joe sales a gun to Sam and Sam kills someone with it then it is Joe’s fault.”

That is VERY flawed logic my friend. If Sam kills someone with the gun it is COMPLETETLY Sam’s fault, an absolutely NO fault of Joe’s.

Unless of course you’re a liberal, then that would explain your logic. Liberals never put blame on the one that commits the crime. It is always “someone” else’s fault.

I, yes I can DENY that we sold Saddam chemical, biological or nuclear weapons. That is an EASY one.

Did we sale Saddam normal weapons when he was at war with Iran? Yes we did, SO WHAT? What is the point in that? NONE!



We were merely joking back and forth. If you couldn’t figure that out and that is all you have, oh well.

I have the highest of moral values. I understand “personal responsibility” I understand right from wrong, I understand good from bad, good from EVIL. America is GOOD and Saddam is EVIL, very black and white.

 

well unfortunitly we're the only "super power" left in the world today and guess what that makes us now...the police man of the world...no we don't want to 'congure'(sic) or 'own' the world,we have to insure that no region of the world will support or vindicate a regime or organazation that will try to destroy us...sure lets sit on our hands and do nothing and let these crackers run around amassing WMD's and hand them out to whomever and then guess what...well our guess what happened and you can liken it to Pearl Harber where an enemy,yes "sworn" enemy of the United States attacked us on our home soil and had the obivious backing of a corrupt regime to facilitate this act but of course you can do nothing and wait for the day when you see your children pukking blood and struggling for a breath and see the look of death in thier eyes as thier puples dilate and they gurggle in your arms while convulsing...reality can be a bitch...lets not let it happen.."That Is All"

 

and Im the nut huh?


and again I ask you guys why do you keep saying that I think saddam is not a bad guy or evil? The point I keep trying to make is that we knew he was going to be a problem before we sold him weapons,but we did it anyhow. You guys dont seem to hear what Im saying. Why would we do that? But its true, look into it is all I can say

 

Well, I say nuke `em till they glow and shoot `em in the dark.

Screw the gas, kick Saddam's a$$!

 

We did NOT sale the MORON any chemical, biological or nuke weapons!!!!!

So why do you keep going back to "well you sold him the weapons"

Read my last post, just because we sold him weapons (not the ones listed above) but just because we did does NOT make it OUR fault.

That is flawed logic, makes no GD sense at all!!!

Personal responsibility

 

Konig ,

Your sources that say we sold Iraq any considerable weapons is totally bogus. Of all the nations that gave that loser anything, the US gave around 1% and they had nothing to do with wmd. We only supported Iraq slightly over Iran (I guess it seemed right at the time). I don't have the source that explains it at my convenience right now, but it is not hard to locate. If you are quoting from left wing sources that are opposed to US operations in Iraq, then you are being greatly misled. Do some more research - not in those whacko end time/last day/Illuminati/one world government/paranoid/etc, but from reliable sources.

runnert:

 

as of yet they havent even found any "WMD". (im so sick of even hearing that played out term) I never said we sold him nukes, that would actually give him a chance in a fight with us. We wouldnt do that. N.Korea though has been supplied nuclear equipment for a long time now. Personal responsability falls on the seller of the weapons when they know the customer they are selling to is insane. As for "my sources" that is the easiest web site for me to have posted, it has a nice collection of facts all in one site. (like I said if you want alist of sources form them just e-mail them for it, or would that make too much sense?) If you look around the web and in the LIBRARY you will find more than whats on you television. Dont even tell me any of you have done SERIOUS research into this arena in an actual library or anything for that matter other than your damn tv.

are you denying the illuminati existed? you have to be joking, they were very real just as the FACTS I have stated about good ol george bush's grand father supporting hitler. What kind of 'AMERICAN" supports a facist dictator? Our current president has the same values his father and his grandfather had. They helped fund a regime that murderd millions of jews and turned a profit on it. The Bush family actually made a profit off of the holocaust. You can research ANY of what Im saying and find out Im right by actually getting off your asses and going to the library.

I can sit here and listen to the "ALL AMERICAN" "BLOW THE **** OUT OF EVERYONE WHO ISNT AMERICAN" propaganda all day long if you want, but until you actually go out and read for your self you're only spewing recycled bs you have seen on the news.

There are quite a few real AMERICANS like myself who have noticed that the original plan our founding fathers layed out has been abused time and time again to benifit the super wealthy of this country. If you love this land and its people you should at least do yourself the credit of looking into it and not just ridicule something you have no knowledge of.

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Konig
[B]as of yet they havent even found any "WMD". (im so sick of even hearing that played out term) I never said we sold him nukes, that would actually give him a chance in a fight with us. We wouldnt do that. N.Korea though has been supplied nuclear equipment for a long time now. Personal responsability falls on the seller of the weapons when they know the customer they are selling to is insane. As for "my sources" that is the easiest web site for me to have posted, it has a nice collection of facts all in one site. (like I said if you want alist of sources form them just e-mail them for it, or would that make too much sense?) If you look around the web and in the LIBRARY you will find more than whats on you television. Dont even tell me any of you have done SERIOUS research into this arena in an actual library or anything for that matter other than your damn tv.

First of all, the tv news is run by liberals,and for you to cut them down is like canabilisim.
I get my news from am radio,were at least there is a bit more reality than tv.

Secondly,how can you say that Fords granfather was a ****...yet you own a Ford...kind of hippocritical don't you think.
The French have many of your same veiws, so maybe you would feel more politically correct in a Cheverolet

Do you think that all the chemical masks found as well as serum for chemical bombs are a prop, planted by Us. soldiers as commanded by there Evil commander?

They also found some missles with Russian writing all over them...did the Evil commander also set this up?

 

I was going to reply, but this ones FAR to gone
It needs to be in the Lightning forums

 

Suuuuure Gator, we no your evil plan to post to astronomical numbers in order to make this site have a meltdown and secretly take over F150 online.....don't kid yourself,we see right through your plan

BTW awesome et with that 60'

 

not Fords grandfather you dip5hit, Bush's grandfather. Read what I write instead of skimming it. Ford himself was also a contributor to hitler though. He gave hitler almost 700,000 dollars to help his regime and was given a medal of honor for doing so. Yeah I own a Ford, what you drive doesnt make you a contributor to something that happend 70 years ago. The fact that H.Ford did all that doesnt mean it somehow affects Ford as it is today. I was just simply stating a fact that apparently none of you knew, and you shoot me for it. Go figure, you guys act like we are free to beleive what we want yet my opinion is thrown aside since it doesnt match what you have been led to believe. Thats makes no sense at all, and the fact that you guys keep talking about me like Im a lunatic is working my last nerve.

c'mon...be realistic for christ sake, not everything in life is attached to what Im saying. You guys are quick to classify anything I say as being wrong or a part of a conspiracy theory. All I orignally did was voice my opinion that I didnt like how everyone was talking about nuking Iraq like this is a ****ing video game. You guys talk about human life like its worthless, as if the innocent people in iraq that would be killed by those nukes dont count.

this is pointless, once you guys started ganging up on me because I dont beleive the same as you this thread became worthless. Group mentallity at its best

 

Here, you are at least free to have an opinion, whether it is popular or not.
In Iraq, you dye quickly for having one.

 

Konig,

you have been reading too much into Larry Burkett's books. I am sure the Illuminatti exists - they are massons after all. But the US is not seeking a one world government. If you want to quote sources from Revelations, then you can look forever...the USA does not exist in there. Which tells me two things (from Revelations standpoint only) that we are conquered and taken over and call something else besides the USA or we are completely obliterated from time and space. BUUUUUUT....let's stay in reality. Come down to earth Konig.

runnert

 

Konig, another thing is, my grandfather on my mothers side was big in the Masons and lived well in his day and would have been considered well off.

For some reason that wealth dissapered before ever reaching myself, siblings,or any other relatives......i guess there plan[conspiracy] hasn't worked out because i work my as* off making a living and have never had anything handed to me.

 

thanks for re-posting my post, as if no one could scroll up to see it. ... I never disputed the fact that iraqis have it bad, they are ruled by a wicked opressive man. That doesnt mean that they are better off dead though, we should and can win this particular war. We just shouldnt do it by dropping nukes and wiping out innocent people in the process. We need to finish what we started in a reasonable fashion then pull out of there and let the locals handle the re-building of their goverment, while providing aid where we can for food and such. As long as this stays as a liberation\disarming campaign then thats fine. If we start getting impatient (as some of you act) and start dropping massive bombs to try to end it more quickly then we are murderers. Human life is too important to me I guess, I thought some of you were christians. Christians dont promote war and dont act like the death of innocent people is just part of the process in achieving victory.

And just so you guys understand what Im saying better about the nwo theories... its not just the USA that is trying to form a one world goverment on their own by blowing everyone to hell. Already people are talking about uniting the european nations together more. (its on another thread in this forum actually) This all seems well and good but eventually their will be a push for one goverment to rule everone in an attempt to stop wars and terrorism. We may not live to see it, I sure hope not, but it doesnt mean it cant or wont happen.

If it does happen then the freedoms you know today will be gone, or at least gradually changed over time so you dont realize what you have lost. The home security act and the patriot act are a good example, how long do you think it will take before they take our guns away? not long at this rate

Thats something that has been in our constitution since day one, for the very reason to protect us from the formation of a tyranical goverment. Why would the founding fathers include such a clause if they didnt beleive that waht Im saying is possible. The public will willingly sacrifice its rights and freedoms for protection from "terrorist attacks" on our homeland. Once we are disarmed there can be a military state put in place. It will seem like protection but it will only be control over us the people.

Only time will tell, just dont shoot me because I look at things from a different angle. If our founding fathers didnt see things from a different angle than the british then we wouldnt be here right now at all.


some quotes... actually read them, they are 100% real ,look them up if you like anywhere you choose to.

JFK

"The high office of the President has been used to foment a plot to destroy the American's freedom and before I leave office, I must inform the citizen of this plight."
President John Fitzgerald Kennedy - In a speech made to Columbia University on Nov. 12, 1963, ten days before his assassination.


J. Caesar

“Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so. How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar.”


"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY COUNTRY."
Hermann Goering, President of the Reichstag, **** Party, and Luftwaffe Commander in Chief


"In the next century, nations as we know it will be obsolete; all states will recognize a single, global authority. National sovereignty wasn't such a great idea after all."
Strobe Talbot, President Clinton's Deputy Secretary of State, as quoted in Time, July 20th, l992.