Addicted to the XBOX!
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From: FL
Originally posted by grinomyte
Lastly, boy does it suck to try aiming without a mouse.
Good times!
Lastly, boy does it suck to try aiming without a mouse.
Good times!
), yes the pc's do have much higher specs, but remember the consoles are dedicated gaming systems, the PC is doing a million different things whne its running the game while the consoles only concentrate on the game, so youre gonna NEED higher specs on the PC. anyways, i am a HUGE xbox/ps2 fan but overall i do agree, for ultimate gaming you just cannot beat a well-built PC (IF price wasnt an issue).
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yeah you can get good with the controller, ive seen people the excel in it. . .but when you start playing online where split second reactions are necessary and you wanna crack off a head shot at a couple hundred paces, i think that mouse takes its. Only thingthat could be better is a touch screen where you could just touch your enemies head. LOL 
And yes there is a resident OS behind the game itself. But when idle were talking mostly some ram being eaten up. The xbox actually runs the win 2000 kernal so its similar, they just got away wiht 64 megs of ram, which really is a shame. They shoulda opted for 128. Every game that has been ported to pc from xbox has had to spend a couple months in texture revamp just to take advantage ( and meet the audience requierment) of higher texture capability. GTA 3 did that and theyre doing it as we speak on splinter cell.
And yes there is a resident OS behind the game itself. But when idle were talking mostly some ram being eaten up. The xbox actually runs the win 2000 kernal so its similar, they just got away wiht 64 megs of ram, which really is a shame. They shoulda opted for 128. Every game that has been ported to pc from xbox has had to spend a couple months in texture revamp just to take advantage ( and meet the audience requierment) of higher texture capability. GTA 3 did that and theyre doing it as we speak on splinter cell.
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From: Great Lake State
Originally posted by grinomyte
Agreed, they can be heavy. But its sometimes worth it to goto lan parties where you can play in 32 vs 32 games without fear of lag and top it off with all the junk food and beer you can want. The computers not bad, its the 90 pound monitor thats a pain.
nevertheless you still need a tv, and that isnt typically cheap. Course its also a tv, wih tv features, as is a computer with computer features.
About the 1000 bucks your right you can probably get all 3, point taken.
On to ib fast.
First lets take a look at some specs. No doubt you get tons of bang for your buck with an xbox, but were still talking massively dated equipment already. 733 mhz proc, 300 mhz vid processor, and 64 mg or ddr ram (that was a bad mistake considering how cheap ddr is but whatever)
In terms of pure spec, i at least double the proc mgz. On to the video card. The nvidia vid card is based on the vanta chipset which means we're working with directx 7 support. To the laymen this simply means the card wont take advantage of dx8 o r 9 features which include vertex shaders and pixel shaders (very realistic water effects and very impressive hair type effects. Not to mention no AA (takes out jaggies from rendered edges) and with a general lack of ram the texture levels drop dramatically. Also in the sound department, nothing really competes with the audigy 2 in terms of digital sound, period. You can get into the really high end stuff but for a typical home user the audigy two provides the single most advanced piece of digital audio hardware in existence right now.
So with all this in mind this quote is somewhat right but somewhat wrong. Yes the game content is exactly the same but graphically the xbox just cant step. Max Payne is a little older and ive seen it rendered on xbox rather well, but the textures are lowered, the poly count isnt as high, and overall the graphical marvel of the game just isnt done justice on the xbox, esp with a regular tv. Just goto the www.maxpayne.com and take a good look at the screen shots, not to mention the xboxb screens are rendered on a computer, so your gettin the high resolution that you wont at home.
As for morrowind i havent seen it on xbox but i can tell right off the no dx8 support means the game just wont look as outright gorgeous as it did on the original render.
The plain and simple is graphically pc takes the lead if you have the lead end pc. Not saying that everyone does, or even wants one, but the option exists and its far suprior.
Sound wise again, pc takes the cake. As we move on to fully rendered 7.1 audio (yes its pushing it too far but hey ill take whatever is thrown at me) sound in games are becoming more and more brilliant and in multiplayer games, a real necessity.
I think its gettin plainly obviuos where the hardware stands, its a little old. But graphics dont really make a game, its what the game has to offer. In which case im gonna have to say the pc wins again. You said PC games were mostly single player, which is somewhat true. Most games are pointed in that direction. The one thing that i cant argue that the xbox has is, with one, you can invite your buddies over for brews and play with a bunch of people and everyones gonna have fun, you just cant do that with a pc which is somewhat of a downer.
However multiplaying on pc's has existed for many years, all the way back when doom was played so much it shut down major internet lines across the country due to traffic. Nowadays its gone much further with a vast number of first person shooter multiplayer games and not to mention ( the greater evil) massively multiplayer online role playing games, where you walk in worlds and see hundreds of people all which are people just like you at computers in theyre homes. Top this all off with a keyboard (a nice feature for multiplay) and voice chat and the pc becomes the ultimate multiplayer platform. For the extremist ( i dont even mess with this) you can have multiple pcs but its rather costly. Depending on the situation i say its somewhat tied out. If your looking for party fun, then yes xbox is it. But for good online fun, its definately in the computer. And if you guys think your addicted you should see everquest people. Ive heard of more divorces, job loss, family breakups and general social breakdown due to that game than anything else period. ( i guess aside from poor upbringings, which are way to common these days)
Lastly, i think one of the greatest things that console gamers never grasp about pc games is the versitility. Go buy half life for pc and youve just bought about 300 games for the price of one. HL mod community is beyond large. Im sure youve heard of counterstrike, guess what its a free mod and its the single largest fps online community in existence. There are just tons of others all for free many of which have landed magazine reviews, public boxed releases, and overall praise from the community. Day of defeat, opera, action, just to name a few.
Theres more, remember maxpayne. If you wanted to play the game as neo from the matrix and kick and punch people in the slo mo, no problem, its a free mod. Morrowind, has a very large collection of official mods that expand your adventures. Pretty much every game has a huge mod list to expand your fun, all for free.
So in all i gotta say, if your willing to pay you should really consider hooking up the pc to that 15k system. It wont be useful when you have friends over, but itll be a blast when you startup unreal tourny 2003 for the first time esp if you have an hd tv.
Ok sorry for long post, i have too much time on my hands at work. Anyway, again i dont intend to flame but i just thought you guys outta consider it. Ive been a pretty avid video game fan for a long time (both console and pc) and i just think that pc takes the cake. The only real exception ive seen is sports games where consoles just kick ***. I dont know if this will convince anyone as it does take quite a bit of initial investment, but check it out and im sure youll be impressed.
Lastly, boy does it suck to try aiming without a mouse.
Good times!
Agreed, they can be heavy. But its sometimes worth it to goto lan parties where you can play in 32 vs 32 games without fear of lag and top it off with all the junk food and beer you can want. The computers not bad, its the 90 pound monitor thats a pain.
nevertheless you still need a tv, and that isnt typically cheap. Course its also a tv, wih tv features, as is a computer with computer features.
About the 1000 bucks your right you can probably get all 3, point taken.
On to ib fast.
First lets take a look at some specs. No doubt you get tons of bang for your buck with an xbox, but were still talking massively dated equipment already. 733 mhz proc, 300 mhz vid processor, and 64 mg or ddr ram (that was a bad mistake considering how cheap ddr is but whatever)
In terms of pure spec, i at least double the proc mgz. On to the video card. The nvidia vid card is based on the vanta chipset which means we're working with directx 7 support. To the laymen this simply means the card wont take advantage of dx8 o r 9 features which include vertex shaders and pixel shaders (very realistic water effects and very impressive hair type effects. Not to mention no AA (takes out jaggies from rendered edges) and with a general lack of ram the texture levels drop dramatically. Also in the sound department, nothing really competes with the audigy 2 in terms of digital sound, period. You can get into the really high end stuff but for a typical home user the audigy two provides the single most advanced piece of digital audio hardware in existence right now.
So with all this in mind this quote is somewhat right but somewhat wrong. Yes the game content is exactly the same but graphically the xbox just cant step. Max Payne is a little older and ive seen it rendered on xbox rather well, but the textures are lowered, the poly count isnt as high, and overall the graphical marvel of the game just isnt done justice on the xbox, esp with a regular tv. Just goto the www.maxpayne.com and take a good look at the screen shots, not to mention the xboxb screens are rendered on a computer, so your gettin the high resolution that you wont at home.
As for morrowind i havent seen it on xbox but i can tell right off the no dx8 support means the game just wont look as outright gorgeous as it did on the original render.
The plain and simple is graphically pc takes the lead if you have the lead end pc. Not saying that everyone does, or even wants one, but the option exists and its far suprior.
Sound wise again, pc takes the cake. As we move on to fully rendered 7.1 audio (yes its pushing it too far but hey ill take whatever is thrown at me) sound in games are becoming more and more brilliant and in multiplayer games, a real necessity.
I think its gettin plainly obviuos where the hardware stands, its a little old. But graphics dont really make a game, its what the game has to offer. In which case im gonna have to say the pc wins again. You said PC games were mostly single player, which is somewhat true. Most games are pointed in that direction. The one thing that i cant argue that the xbox has is, with one, you can invite your buddies over for brews and play with a bunch of people and everyones gonna have fun, you just cant do that with a pc which is somewhat of a downer.
However multiplaying on pc's has existed for many years, all the way back when doom was played so much it shut down major internet lines across the country due to traffic. Nowadays its gone much further with a vast number of first person shooter multiplayer games and not to mention ( the greater evil) massively multiplayer online role playing games, where you walk in worlds and see hundreds of people all which are people just like you at computers in theyre homes. Top this all off with a keyboard (a nice feature for multiplay) and voice chat and the pc becomes the ultimate multiplayer platform. For the extremist ( i dont even mess with this) you can have multiple pcs but its rather costly. Depending on the situation i say its somewhat tied out. If your looking for party fun, then yes xbox is it. But for good online fun, its definately in the computer. And if you guys think your addicted you should see everquest people. Ive heard of more divorces, job loss, family breakups and general social breakdown due to that game than anything else period. ( i guess aside from poor upbringings, which are way to common these days)
Lastly, i think one of the greatest things that console gamers never grasp about pc games is the versitility. Go buy half life for pc and youve just bought about 300 games for the price of one. HL mod community is beyond large. Im sure youve heard of counterstrike, guess what its a free mod and its the single largest fps online community in existence. There are just tons of others all for free many of which have landed magazine reviews, public boxed releases, and overall praise from the community. Day of defeat, opera, action, just to name a few.
Theres more, remember maxpayne. If you wanted to play the game as neo from the matrix and kick and punch people in the slo mo, no problem, its a free mod. Morrowind, has a very large collection of official mods that expand your adventures. Pretty much every game has a huge mod list to expand your fun, all for free.
So in all i gotta say, if your willing to pay you should really consider hooking up the pc to that 15k system. It wont be useful when you have friends over, but itll be a blast when you startup unreal tourny 2003 for the first time esp if you have an hd tv.
Ok sorry for long post, i have too much time on my hands at work. Anyway, again i dont intend to flame but i just thought you guys outta consider it. Ive been a pretty avid video game fan for a long time (both console and pc) and i just think that pc takes the cake. The only real exception ive seen is sports games where consoles just kick ***. I dont know if this will convince anyone as it does take quite a bit of initial investment, but check it out and im sure youll be impressed.
Lastly, boy does it suck to try aiming without a mouse.
Good times!
So i have to call b.s. on that
And as far as channels ,10.1 is the latest and greatest but unless you have an actual theater size building to use it in,it is useless as far as being acurate....same goes for 7.1,not to mention the multi thousand watt power that would be needed.
99.999 % of pc's offer sound quality that does not rival midi fi gear,let alone hi end audio/video gear.
I doubt Bill Gates has what i consider hi end sound.
The pc may have better textures ect than a 200.00 xbox but since i am using a processor which is superior to any in a pc,how can you say pc's have better sound.....not in this lifetime.
