I have a 02 Dualie that i use to pull my 48ft goosneck race car trailor. I am wanting to be able to climb a hill and not be doing 50-55 at the top. I have looked at both chips and programmers but want to know what you guys think is best when toing something this heavy. By the way i put about 50,000 miles on it a year and most of those miles are towing. truck has 70,000 miles on it.

 

Hands down, the chips beat the programmers, in everything...

The problem is they are much more detectable..

The chip can be custom burned for the application...

Several different levels, on the drive setting change...

Probably key that you can change it without hooking up the programmer(easy to change settings)

You can have extreme settings, different settings can be altered...

Be careful, you can have such a 'Hot" chip, you can fry the engine...Good Luck

 

As Mach said, the chip is VERY detectable.

SO, I prefer the microtuner. It has a couple of settings and is adjustable in just a few minutes. AND, when you want to go in for service, you put it back to stock and it clears the memory unlike a chip....

Disclaimer: I've never used a chip so I may be wrong....

 

Bikenut, so when you go to the dark-side and get areal engine(just kidding) you will have the biggest baddest chip there is out there...You will see the difference!!

I am at 72K, so waranty is gone, so I got the hottest chip and nothing beats reaching down and turning that **** to blow that Duracrap away...

4 positions at the finger tips!!!!

 

Take your truck to Mobile, and let JMS program the truck on the dyno for you. I got an 87hp gain, and 149tq gain from the flash.

 

Im gonna go with the programer just to keep my esp warranty in place.
I have a superchip flip chip in my lightning and if i have warranty work on it im screwed.

 

You should at least take the advantage, and talk to JMS about ur "L" and ur 250. If you want to get the most out of ur trucks. You will not get as much out of the flip chip, or programer on either trcuk. JMS is one of like maybe 3 tuners that accually custom tune your car/truck. Not just load premade programs onto chips, or download a premade tune for every F250/"L"/Mustang out their. Good luck w/what ever you do. Nice rides!

 

My L was dynoed then i sent a flopy to JDM with dyno runs on it so they could finalize the tune.

 

The programmers can burn chips for H2E turbos and stage III injectors...

Then you have 4 positions...

Bikenut, Ford can detect any PCM mods, if they dig far enough...I understand they can tell...Its just a matter of how far they dig...

The programmers are less detectable though...

About the only way I know is to have a back up PCM that you change out that contains STOCK parameters...

Good Luck...

lightningsvt01--did you get your guages in??? What kind of EGTS are you running???

 

I put the exhaust temp guage after the turbo. It is reading right at 800 at wot. The turk is boosting to right at 20psi. I am taking it if you add 400 to the temp, it is running at around 1200 temp if if i am doging it. It stays between 400/600 when pulling a trailer and crusing around 80+ on on the high way.

Another foot note:
We just got back from a trip to Gatlinburg, and Tuscaloosa. I filled up to get to TN, filled up again win I got to TN, and filled back up when I got to Birmingham. When we got home I had a half a tank left in the truck. We went just about 1500 miles, and was adverging 20 miles to the gallon! I was pleased with this. We were not pulling any trailer, and this was running around 80 all the time w/ac on.

 

The standard is pretty much pre-turbo, because(most people dont understand this, NOT pointing any fingers)We are trying to measure the exhaust valve...These are the hottest part of the combustion chamber..Seeing we are trying to measure these, we try to locate the probe as close as possible to the valve, the place I locate them is on the manifold right by #8...

We dont what to burn the exhaust valves...

I had a customer the other day that he said was hitting only 900 and I asked him where the probe was mounted, he said post-turbo, so I remounted it..He could hit 1400 easily and was under his 'normal' driving conditions..

It varies between trucks 300-500...

Since i do alot of comparision and testing d exhausts, I set them up this way...I have had 3 chips and 5 exhausts on my truck...I have recently installed a Quad pod and a set of three more guages for a total of 7 guages...Hey when you are testing the claims of some of the manufacturers, you better be armed with some facts...Good Luck...Just my opinion...Tell me yours..

 

Problem I had w/installing anything pre-turbo is, if/when the prob brakes off for any unknown reason, were is it going to go? I really would not want this going through the turbo personaly. From what I have been reading, if you put it after the turbo, they say that the most you can expect the difference is 400 degreese. Most case will not see this big of a difference, but if you add 400 to what the post turbo reading is, this should give you the same reading as being pre-turbo. I am not a tuner, and I have never messed with exhaust temps, diesels, turbos, and so on. I can only go by people that have been their done that. Mach1, I am sure you are just the guy. I do not hit 800 degrees unless I am realy getting on the truck and staying on it. So if what I have been told is correct, I am under the 1270 mark. Their for I should be ok. Is this not a true stayment? Again, I am only hittinga round 19/20 lbs of boost. This is 4/5 lbs more than stock.

 

Man, not trying to steer you wrong, its a very unreliable place to put it...even though banks mounts theirs there..

You cant get a good ready there and are just guessing, I repeat, I do not know everything, I suggest you move it...at very least you will be on the same page as everyone else...The guys truck I just moved was a banks kit and he said no more then 900, now he hits 1400 easily..

If you read the other website, they say its a crime to put it there..(I did not say that, direct quote)...

Heres another point, I have not heard of any of them breaking off..Ask the others...

Its easy to put there, I have done alot...its much more accurate, I have the quick reacting unit, digital readout..it alone was over two hundred, I have to know now what the temps are..

As I can hit 1400 in second gear!!!

I guarantee you, if you move it YOU WILL BE SURPRISED of the temps you are running..Can you say 1400???

Not trying to be know-it-all, just trying to help out...Good Luck...

 

Thanks. I will take it into consideration. What did you do with the hole already created?

 

Pipe plug..I sell some Down pipes that have the plugs in them, but I dont recomend they use them...I have never installed a post turbo, but i have heard people running two pyros to monitor turbo temps...

Its extremely easy to drill and tap the exhaust manifold...If you want step-by-step just say so...

When you start talking to others, they are going to ask you why you have it there...

If you do it...I would still like to hear some temps..Isn't this how this started???

Does that guy that programmed yours KNOW what temps his programs are running???

This is important...I would not want to be responsible for frying an engine...

Good Luck with the whole thing, I am just trying to help...Not trying to be difficult(although it looks that way)...Sorry...