Keep in mind before replying

1) this may be a stupid idea
2) I am not likely to end up doing this
3) the idea cam from the S&B intake as well as the banks intake
4) The inlet tube would be below the bumper slightly to take in air moving under the truck.
5) I have no idea how to avoid mud and water getting in the filter.
6) its likely that the nasty gunk from wet weather and winter driving would clog the pipes up, mud too maybe.

Ok so I have this (see below for pic) and I was wondering if it would be worth the time and effort to make a ram air conversion for this setup.

It might be worth doing it just for S&G, and I like to tinker on things.

What I thought about doing was this, taking PVC as a temporary setup (metal late if it works good) and making a ram air scoop type setup, and sealing the metal heat shield.

I also thought about using some header wrap on my Intake tube to keep the heat out, and coolness in.


So after sealing the box top/back and front and making a PVC piece to go into the stock snorkel hole, I would cut a hole in the side of my AEM heat shield and run a short PVC pipe out into a 90 Turn down.

I am thinking 3" pipe will fit after looking.

so from the 90 turn down into a stright PVC pipe down to the frame (slightly lower) and then a second 90 but this one to turn to the front of the truck.

Then make or bug some sort of large scoop like deal, I was thinking of trying the largest PVC T fitting I could and cutting the T open to make a "scoop"

But attaching the T to the 90 and cutting the T part open, or some thing else when I start looking around (if I ever do)

 

I heard about similar setups when I had my 93 Mustang GT, most said ram air isn't any good until you hit around 65+ MPH and then to top if off you will have turbulent air being forced into the intake. I'd say give it try, forget what "other people say" and if it doesn't work out, then hey you are just out of the money it cost you. Instead of the T fitting maybe try a piece of heater duct like the kind they use to make a vent in the floor of your house?

 

In was thinking about that.

Thing is there is not really any way for me to see if its affecting my temps and little to no way to measure power.

 

If your going to put the tee inbetween the throttle body and the filter then you'll need another filter also unless you can find a box to seal the filter in and use that for the RAM air supply.

 

so let me get this straight......

you want to turn something like this....





into this......




p.s. just noticed you have an 06 if you have a 5.4L you better get a custom tune.

 

I have custom tunes, its in my Sig that only works when it wants to.

something like that but not exactly.

i just have a lot of ideas floating around in my head, one involved a twin filer setup behind the bumper, kinda like this, only filters behind the bumper.

 

it's possible but make sure you datalog any runs with it and if you start going lean get out of it

 

I figure no matter what I do, if I even do anything I am going to sit down and think it out really well.

I was thinking running all new pipes from my middle pipe that has the MAF in it into a split tube that ends with two AEM dry flow filters behind the bumper on each side wrapped in heat wrap to keep heat out and the air cool.

OR just fabbing up a ram air for my current box.

In fact I kinda like the dual air filter idea, and I may figure out a way to make it work some how.

I had a idea on how to run and secure a 3" PVC pipe to the frame on the drivers side and maybe Ill be able to do the same on the passenger side.

i know you can get those DIY kits at autozone, maybe i can make one of those work? or just get some SS pipe and powder coat or paint it?

I should not need a retune because the housing the MAF is in would still be the same!

 

not sure how to check for that, but I have several ideas floating around in my head right now, but i like my twin filer behind bumper Idea best so far.

i can cover each filter with a heat/mud shield like the one I already have front sides and bottom, leaving the back side towrds the back of the truck open and drawing in cool air.

The filter right there should stop any dirt, and the AEM filters are not hurt if they get wet.

I would have to avoid washing under the truck and the drive through car washes, unless i stopped and wrapped the filters in bags first.

I like the AEM filters because they have a anti crush mesh thing in them.

The local exhaust shop could bend pipes for me how I want them and I could get them made to fit over the AEM pipe, I would need a 3" pipe swelled to fit over my 3" AEM pipe and/or use the rubber fitting thing i have now.

Get a DIY kit from a parts store that hopefully has a Y in it and have the rest of the pipe bent at the exhaust shop, that way I could have the pipe tacked to the frame to secure it, and use hose clamps and rubber to seal the pipes to each other pipe.

 

See wtf? my sig worked up there but not on my other posts? and it worked on this one.

Anyway I may draw something up tonight and see where I get, but i think a twin filter setup behind the bumpers (or at least in a spot under the truck away from heat) is something I can do.

Anyway I just went and looked, a twin filter set up might not be do-able at all, or it might be really hard.

A singe pipe moved down to the bumper area is however in my skill limit. and Likely I could do it all with 3" SS pipe painted black wrapped in header/pipe wrap moving the filter down extends the distance the air has to travel, but it might also make the air cooler and denser making up for that fact.


Would make it easy to tack the pipe on the frame to secure it, and use my current AEM filter and make my own sheild to block dirt water and the like.

OR

it might just be one huge waste of time and money and do little to nothing, and maybe even damage my truck.

i figure if the filter is only open to the back side of the truck, blocking the front sides and bottom there is no way mud and dirt will reach it, and not likely water will either, but still leave air, that should be colder than what I get in the engine bay.

Now the issues is how much am I going to loose in terms of extra pipe the air has to travel VS how much cooler and denser can I get the air?

Cooler and denser air would mean a better running engine, but may also lean it out? but if I do not change the housing the MAF is in would it matter?

 

I'm having difficulty reconciling this statement with the fact that you have a PHP/Gryphon....

PID = IAT

Power? Yer not gonna see much so don't sweat that - yer doing this for lower IAT's. However, does yer tuner not have some perf measurement tools? And rudimentary datalogging functions?

Sound like you need to RTFM

MGD

 

Ram air is useless to be honest. Its only cool on things like a Mustang Mach 1, Old Mopar with a Shaker. And then its pretty much all for the nostalgic looks of the shaker. It really does nothing unless your going like 100 MPH. And even then it doesnt do much.

When you spend big money on a banks ram air or something to that effect, your getting your gains by the increased airflow from a better and more open filter element and not the actual "ram air" portion of it

 

Just saw these in a JCWhitney Mag I got today... could make it something like theirs..

Air Scoops

 

Yep.

With one correction - the gains are coming from reducing IAT's. Very little, if any come from adding the potential for more flow if the (unmodded) engine is not demanding/requiring any more over what the stocker already provides - and any gains will generally come at peak rpm only - not where most folks spend much time, lol.

There are a couple (not most) intakes that do help with part-throttle torque due to the idiosyncracies of the stock 5.4 3V intakes - but a custom tune is usually required to optimize same. For certain - a custom tune far overshadows any gains from an intake - which is why it's the first & best 'Bang-fer-buck' mod you can do.

Hint: Advanced Search for Ram air, intakes, A/F's, etc - Chips & Programmers Section - by 'Superchips_Distributor'. Be prepared to be enlightened for hours

MGD