Thanks,My exhaust is not the best set-up.True duels w/2 flow 40s.The pipe is 2 1/4.The y-pipe has been cut for the duels.I did this before joining this site and have been thinkin about swappin 2 4x14 maggies.Should i go with the 2in core or 2 1/2 core? I will eventually get an Xcal2 but i want to do all of my mods first so i don't have to pay multiple times for changes.I guess i will find out what it will do!!!!You can expect some new times after install,hopefully by the end of the week
Thanks again for your time and Happy Easter to you too,
Kevin

 

On this forum, we keep on hearing how great the AF1 is and how it beats everything else out there but I have yet to see even one dyno of it tested.

I see the K&N dyno. I see the AEM dyno. Where is the almighty AF1 dyno? I am not saying that it does not exist, just saying that I have not found it on their website nor of any vendors' websites selling it.

I respect the forum members here so there must be something that I am missing. Perhaps my "dyno graph" search abilities are lacking.

In terms of tube diamter and length for tuning, what makes it better than any other "filter on a stick" intake systems? Don't all the piping companies have access to the same exact piping diameters/sizes?

 

lol MGDfan...you seem to be the one getting upset by this all. The fact of the matter remains...I've claimed nothing but facts and you claim nothing but propaganda. The more you tout Mike Troyer and his products without any proof to back up the misinformation that you spread, the more skeptical I, and others, will get and the more we will require some sort of proof.

You claim the AF1 is better than the K&N but you have no proof.
I claim the K&N has a better marketing department and may or may not be a better intake.

You claim Mike Troyer is the be all, end all of research and development.
I claim that K&N's R&D department is much larger than Mike's.

You claim that the AF1 gives more horsepower than the K&N.
I claim that K&N claims a gain of about 16hp on their dyno.

You claim TP's R&D department dyno'd the K&N although the company itself denies it.
I claim that the company did not dyno the K&N, which they didn't.

You claim that AF1 is the best intake out there but I read unhappy customers all the time that cannot contact AF1's tech support department.

I claim nothing but fact and you claim nothing but misinformation. Still you resort to calling me things such as a brainwashed zombie or insinuating that I am a cry baby but nowhere do I cry or complain. I simply ask for factual information to back up your claims but you provide none.

 

LOL DP.

~My claim's better than your claim~! LMAO!

I guess we need a 'Claims' department too!

Two words: call Mike. Why you avoid this is puzzling to me .... dancing around that simple statement tells me you are afraid of hearing the other side of the story and/or are simply afraid of the truth.

Then take two Tylenol, a warm glass of milk & you'll feel better in the morning.

With a fresh perspective of what is 'claim' and what is 'fact'. I promise.

BTW - Do not assume the reference to the 'H, B &D Dept' was directed at you specifically... unless you know something I don't? Guilty as charged, perhaps??? LOL!

Ah well, you can't save everyone. Why am I still not on your 'ignore' list?

Please, add me after you talk to Mike Troyer.

Cheers
Bubba

 

Yet you still dodge the things that people ask for...proof that your claims are real. Proof that the AF1 gives better horsepower numbers than the K&N. I have no problem with you stating opinion as long as you state it as opinion. When you represent your misinformation as fact that you yourself have no idea whether it's true or not to an entire community that tends to believe things they read, then I have a problem with it.

And I won't call Mike Troyer because I have no reason to. I'm happy with my product -- I'm happy with K&N's dyno results -- and I have trust in their R&D department. Besides, MT isn't the one spouting misinformation at every chance he gets on these message boards. I am simply asking you for some proof that these claims you make are real.

In either event, it's clear that we will not get the proof that we've requested from you and it would be appreciated if you would, from now on, present your opinions as opinions and not fact.

As far as me putting you on an ignore list, that's not ever going to happen. I want to keep tabs on you and make sure you're not going to try to talk people into products that you have no real information on even though you claim them to be the best. Let the consumers make up their own mind after you present them with facts that are available to you and your own personal opinions. Heck, you don't even have an intake on your own truck, yet you claim to be an intake expert. When faced with a tough audience, you resort to name-calling and you attempt to belittle your opponents. That's no way to win a debate MGD...hopefully you'll realize that some time soon.

Anyway, take it easy.

dp

 

-doublepost - darn server ;-))

 

dp...

Have repeatedly stated I'm not the expert.
Have repeatedly directed you to the one who is.
Have previously stated I had an AF1 on my previous truck.
Have repeatedly provided links where TP discusses AF1 intake capabilities.
Have repeatedly asked that MT be consulted directly to provide the proof you seek.

All ignored/avoided. Final verdict - well, you do the math.

And now you want to be the intake claims validity police ??? The guardian against evil Bubba and his snake oil marketing? LMAO!

Do you have any idea how ridiculous you now appear?

It's a public forum! It is RIFE with opinion! Including mine! Neither I, nor you, can control what others choose to believe or not to believe.

But I, unlike you, simply point folks in the direction where they can get accurate info, with one simple phone call. I've done that innumerable times, and some have actually done so. I can't ask for more than that.

Not just read marketing BS and false numbers printed on a fancy box.

I now have a watchdog !!! Unbelievable ! Quick, go find others whose motives seem questionable to you and do them too! Full time job! LOL!

Guess which list you are on now...

This would actually be funny if it weren't so sad...

 

I'm not trying to be funny and I'm not trying to 'police' you...I just don't understand your motives. How is it that you're so certain that everything that TP sells is the best thing out there? That is all I want to know. And believe me, I know that you recommend people to TP's website and to call him. 10 of the last 18 threads that you were actively involved in, you either recommended TP's products or recommended that someone calls TP and visits their website. I just question your motives and I question exactly how is it that you know that TP's products are the best thing out there. How do you know that TP doesn't sell one intake over another because the profit margin is higher on one as opposed to the other? I just don't understand how you can be so sure of his business and promote his business and products so regularly when in actuality you have no idea.

As far as anything getting ignored, the only thing that I can see getting ignored is when someone asks you for some proof that the intake you claim is the best is really the best. How can you claim something is the best without ever knowing it's the best? That just makes absolutely no sense to me.

 

Does Mike Troyer own Air Force One Performance?

 

I'm reminded of the words a Great Man from the West once spoke, six simple words really.. "Can't we all just get along?"
Seriously tho, this is why we love a free marketplace, free to debate the merits of competing products, lucky that we HAVE competing products.. lucky as well that we have forums like this to debate those merits!
Now for my 2 cents.. I bought the AF1 after searching and reading everything I could find on here about air intakes.. I have nothing against K&N at all, it was just my choice and I'm completely happy with it, as I'd reckon K&N buyers are with theirs.. it's just a choice, sometimes based on price, sometimes on performance.. I like the performance I get, so I'm happy with what I spent on it..

 

Everyobody has made some good posts and as true redblooded american truck drivers we all have our "favorites"

Here are some truths based on the laws of physincs and more importantly, thermodynamics.

Turbulence cuts down on CFM rate. Intake designers like K&N, AF1, and even the manufacturer do their best to design a system that attempts to create a smooth dynamic flow of air to the throttle body. If you look at these systems, you will see that each is designed with a mandrel (no wirnkles) sort of bend in the tube. Additionally the sharper the angel of the bend, the more turbulence you are going to create. That is why the majority of ram air systems and intake systems of performace vehicles are stright through systems, meaning noe bends. With this fact in mind, stay away from so called "cold air intakes" that attempt to pull air from underneath the vehicle. Too many bend to the throttle body!

To truly see a gain in LOW END power you have to raise the cfm in the intake chamber by a factor of 10, or 1 psi. I promise you that the intake systems don't make much more than .3 psi. Still this is a good gain, you are basically increasing flow by %150. This is exactly why you may not feel the full effect untill your power band, in this case approx. 3500 rpm.

As for transfer of heat through metal, or the ABS plastic, while it is true that the metal is faster to transfer heat, it is also quicker to dissipate the heat. Additionally the volume of air moving through the intake does not really have enough time to experience a significant rise in temperature, be it plastic or metal.

Environmental conditions play a huge part in the gains you will experience. People living ins a warmer, more humid environment will experience less gains than those living in a colder environment. When air is cold, it is more densly packed. The catch in colder environments is that engines need to combust the fuel air mixture at higher temperatures in order to experience the power gains, we call this thermal efficiency.

As for MGD and DP, where do you guys live? This will greatly affect your experiences.

Tuners are important too. Just because you are bringing more air into the chamber doesnt mean you truck is going to use it. The ECM has a specific set of tolerances it goes by when configuring the timing. In fords you have a +/- %3 tolerance. Outside these tolerances you may throw a CEL code. To truly take advantage of your intake, you need to advance the timing of the vehicle (which is what your tuner does for you) so that the valves are open for a longer duration of time.

If you are advancing the timing, chances are you are creating more exhaust gas which leads us to exhaust systems. Your exhaust configuration will directly affect your intake performance. Too much back pressure may cause you to experience a drop in performance, most noteable LOWER gas mileage with your new intake.

To each his own and I invite you to experiment and research on your own. Most importantly you must have a solid base line (other than the seat of your pants). My advice is to Dyno your ride as you make modifications. True horsepower gains are measured at the wheels. Find a local dyno shop if you can and do some runs.

2000 XLT F-150 Supercab
4.6L Windosr 3.55 rear end
K&N Intake
Hypertech 93 octane tuning
Mobil One 10W30 Synthetic
249 hp@3980 RPM
309LBS Tq 3770 RPM

soon to add:
underdrive puleys
magnaflow 3" single side swept exhaust

 

Hi malexander52;

A couple/few things (in no particular order) ...

1. Advancing timing via a tuner does not keep the 'valves open longer' - it determines where ignition occurs in relation to TDC. Valve timing is fixed by the cam profiles & how they have been 'degreed'. In 04+ 3V vehicles it's also a variable via the VCT system.

2. The CEL +/- tolerance is far greater than 3%, especially on the newer models - and if you did a search you'd see that setting a CEL is a crapshoot on some models - folks have gone 19:1 A/F on a dyno with no CEL ... the 04's seem overly prone ...

3. Intake 'bends'. The factory intake is a compromise affair - adequate flow, but above all quiet. There is a sacrifice in performance. When you add 3 Helmholtz resonators (see the 04+ 5.4L 3V factory intakes), you actually & intentionally disrupt laminar flow to suppress the frequencies most responsible for making unwanted intake noise. Primary design criteria= "Quiet".

4. The AF1 intake capitalizes on the above; as well as increasing cross-section a large amount in their 3.5" version. This, coupled with a huge filter, and the required custom tuning to correct the lean condition this intake introduces, produces not only greater top-end power, with no signs of dropoff @ 4000+ rpm that plagues some others (Volant), and in the case of the 3.5" extends those gains at low RPM as well. No other intake does this better - a fact MT can confirm, if you'd care to heed his advice.


5. Backpressure on the exhaust side is of secondary importance - it's how well the velocity of the exhaust gases is maintained ( or enhanced) that is the key to making/preserving low end torque. You need to ensure efficient cylinder scavenging. Baffled mufflers tend to kill that; too large a system will also affect the low end (but flow well on top). The term 'backpressure' is very misused, mis-applied,& misunderstood.

I live in a climate where there are seasonal swings of +30c to -30c; add seasonal fuel blends with variations in BTU content, and the last thing I worry about is how climatology is affecting my intake's performance - too many other variables to consider... a superior intake design is going to remain superior in all condions.

I concur on your dyno advice. That is precisely what TP does on a very frequent basis; they know this platform, specialize in it and hence know what really works (or not). Some aftermarket intake, tuner, and other companies really have some 'issues' with them - TP does not abide by false marketing claims.

I don't expect you to believe me, but before closing your mind as others have done, it behooves you to at least seek MT's perspective, then decide.

 

so with just these 2 mods- you are making these numbers-right

 

dude

 

GREAT!! Now I have to call Mike tommorrow and ask about the AF1!! To who ever is new to these mods read is much of these threads you can before you make a decision. In the last month I have bought magna exhaust K&N 77 series intake and the Edge. Edge went back last week and Xcal2 from Troyer ordered the next day. I have read so much on here and now Im considering have the AF1 show up when my Xcal2 shows up. I have asked before and Im still looking for more ways to cope with the wait. Im going to try therapy later this week. Read as much as you can so you will be happy with what you decide and not have to keep changing things like me.

texedition....cover your pcm and use a light engine degreaser and use light water pressure to rinse it off. I had about 12000 miles on mine when I cleaned it and it looks like a new engine. Look at the pic in my gallery, my engine looked the same as yours before I cleaned it.