Radar Detectors--Save Your $$$$$
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Don't want to cast a pall on all this, but once, way back when, I got a ticket in Cleveland for following too closely during rush hour - during rush hour!!! I had one of the original Fuzz Busters, remember them. I asked the cop why he didn't give everybody a ticket for following too closely - everybody was and only going about 50mph at the most. He said, Because I stopped you! Must be because I was driving a ratty looking Econoline van, still a Ford though and it lasted a long time. It still happens, it's a tough job but human nature is human nature. If someone doesn't like your rig or the way you look, you are more likely to get a ticket - radar detector or not. 
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Isn't that called profiling? Does hating cops and wanting to run 'em over in a dark alley count as human nature? 
I swear I didn't just say that! They forced me to while I was in handcuffs!
I swear I didn't just say that! They forced me to while I was in handcuffs!
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Hi Folks
I think I can add to this topic, first let me tell you I spent 15 years in the navy (untill recentl y disabled) working on and operating the navys top Anti-Radar systems. basically my job was to find radars and make the operators life as misarable as possable or to simply avoid the radar....
The systems are called Electronic Warfare systems. I would like to think this gives me alittle "EXPERT" knowledge on what is happining and what to do about it. Enough about me.
No radar detector is 100% imfalable . The Dectors job is to provide you with knowledge, knowledge is power. How you use it is up to you.
What I look for in a detector any detector is the following.
The radar detector should:
1. Tell you what type or radar your up against (K, Ka, laser etc). this tells you range capabilty and how capable the radar is your up aginist
2. Tell you the signal strength so you can estimate range.
3. Tell you direction so you can locate the threat and with this determin the treat to you.
4. tell you how many radars your up against. To avoid multi radar traps.
Ok in the real world Jamming radars isn't a legal option and the fines for doing so can range up to about 10 years in Club Fed and $10,000. I know how to jam them but I don't for this reason although it would be fun to do so...
So we have to avoid the threat (ie slow dowwwwwwwn)
OK as for Radar detectors I run the Valentine One . Why simply put it is the best unit I have ever used (away form the navy).
The V1 has severial advantages.
1st and foremost the V1 is the only detector I know of that will provide feedback on location of the incomming Radar signal. Front, rear or side
2. The V1 it tells you how many Radars are up and searching for a target within its recption range.
3 When the V1 tracks multipal radars will I.E. K-band and KA band it will show you the direction for the K band as soild and the KA direction blinks so you can tell what radar is where... and determain where the higher threat to you is located.
4. the V1 can be continually upgraded as the threat changes without buying a new one...
Signal streght and signal type all detectors give you.
Ok a little therory here. Radars signial need to make a 2 way trip while our detectors need only the outbound signal. So Most all the modern dectors have about a 1.5 advantage in recption range over the radar, This means we see him before he can see us. This is true execpt when used "instant on" where the copper waits until we are in range to light us up.
The way the copper can beat you is to wait till your in range and zap you or to sneek up on you and zap you. Simple as that.
This is why the "running Rabbit" tactic stated in the above posts is a sound one. When the boy in blue zaps the rabbit in front running the point or he is lane hopping shooting on the move
from behind you you get a warning before your in range and you can switch to "avioidance mode" (in other words slow down)
When your running out in front or running alone your a sitting duck to the instant on speed trap or the moving "instant on" trap,
No dector can or will will save you in this situation.
Now laser works exactly the same but it has a much tighter beam so it is simply much shorter range and harder to detect. Also with laser unless your detector has a rear looking eye your blind behind you, and a sitting duck for a rear sneak attack because laser
can't bend and scatter like radar.
The V1 also has a rear looking laser eye.
OK the long and short, the V1 is the best all round dector I know of and that is why I run it, I have run escorts and passports etc but I now run the V1
because it provides me the most complete situational awareness of my enviroment... I hope this helps answer you question...
Jim
I think I can add to this topic, first let me tell you I spent 15 years in the navy (untill recentl y disabled) working on and operating the navys top Anti-Radar systems. basically my job was to find radars and make the operators life as misarable as possable or to simply avoid the radar....
The systems are called Electronic Warfare systems. I would like to think this gives me alittle "EXPERT" knowledge on what is happining and what to do about it. Enough about me.
No radar detector is 100% imfalable . The Dectors job is to provide you with knowledge, knowledge is power. How you use it is up to you.
What I look for in a detector any detector is the following.
The radar detector should:
1. Tell you what type or radar your up against (K, Ka, laser etc). this tells you range capabilty and how capable the radar is your up aginist
2. Tell you the signal strength so you can estimate range.
3. Tell you direction so you can locate the threat and with this determin the treat to you.
4. tell you how many radars your up against. To avoid multi radar traps.
Ok in the real world Jamming radars isn't a legal option and the fines for doing so can range up to about 10 years in Club Fed and $10,000. I know how to jam them but I don't for this reason although it would be fun to do so...
So we have to avoid the threat (ie slow dowwwwwwwn)
OK as for Radar detectors I run the Valentine One . Why simply put it is the best unit I have ever used (away form the navy).
The V1 has severial advantages.
1st and foremost the V1 is the only detector I know of that will provide feedback on location of the incomming Radar signal. Front, rear or side
2. The V1 it tells you how many Radars are up and searching for a target within its recption range.
3 When the V1 tracks multipal radars will I.E. K-band and KA band it will show you the direction for the K band as soild and the KA direction blinks so you can tell what radar is where... and determain where the higher threat to you is located.
4. the V1 can be continually upgraded as the threat changes without buying a new one...
Signal streght and signal type all detectors give you.
Ok a little therory here. Radars signial need to make a 2 way trip while our detectors need only the outbound signal. So Most all the modern dectors have about a 1.5 advantage in recption range over the radar, This means we see him before he can see us. This is true execpt when used "instant on" where the copper waits until we are in range to light us up.
The way the copper can beat you is to wait till your in range and zap you or to sneek up on you and zap you. Simple as that.
This is why the "running Rabbit" tactic stated in the above posts is a sound one. When the boy in blue zaps the rabbit in front running the point or he is lane hopping shooting on the move
from behind you you get a warning before your in range and you can switch to "avioidance mode" (in other words slow down)
When your running out in front or running alone your a sitting duck to the instant on speed trap or the moving "instant on" trap,
No dector can or will will save you in this situation.
Now laser works exactly the same but it has a much tighter beam so it is simply much shorter range and harder to detect. Also with laser unless your detector has a rear looking eye your blind behind you, and a sitting duck for a rear sneak attack because laser
can't bend and scatter like radar.
The V1 also has a rear looking laser eye.
OK the long and short, the V1 is the best all round dector I know of and that is why I run it, I have run escorts and passports etc but I now run the V1
because it provides me the most complete situational awareness of my enviroment... I hope this helps answer you question...
Jim
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Originally posted by Jimmer
I know how to jam them but I don't for this reason although it would be fun to do so...
Jim
I know how to jam them but I don't for this reason although it would be fun to do so...
Jim
What a/b passive radar jammers?
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From: Sturtevant Wi
LeanNCut,
It isn't quite that simple. As to tell you how.
Electronic Combat and that is what were talking about here isn't easy and it isn't Cheap. That is why Uncle sam pays big bucks for his systems.
First you must understand the Building an Active Jammer can get you 10 years of plush federial housing (aka Prison).
Second the defensive system would cost proably cost in the area of severial thousand dollors to get it right and oh there isn't any gurentee it would be 100%. but it would be fun that is for sure...
However as a simple learning exercise I'll give you the reader digest condensed tour of what it would take .
OK it wouldn't be a single Jammer you need to protect you, actually you would need to build a small system.
you would need to start with a reciever capable of detecting radar (front and Rear) and telling the system what type of radar your up against
Then you have to have a computer with the program and the logic so it can smartly decide when to engage, ( this could be done off a laptop computer) because us humans are just to slow to react.
then you would need severial transmitters but at a minimum of 1-X-band, 1 K-band, 1 Ka-band pointing front and one set pointing to the rear. The transmitters would need to be very fast responding (turning on) and very stable and be able to have there frequency quickly adjusted to match the income radar, and the I would do some special things to mess with the logic of the radar gun...
An alternate methiod would be to take in the receive the radar signal, play with it, amplify it and send it back out again, this is proably just as complicated as the first methiod and you can't get radar repeater parts off the shelf this side of the defense industry and surley not at radio shack...
Oh you also need to be able to look through you own jamming but that is more indepth then we need to go here...
then you would need to study all the diffrent radar guns and figure out there weaknesses, (this isn't so hard once you know how they work and they weren't designed to operate in hostile enviroment)
What I am talking is severial times more expensive then the radar gun itself because in short you need to be able to defeat severial types of guns not just one type...
So could I do it yea, I got an older laptop, I know how to do some programming, I could get into the V1 detector I own figure out what I need trigger wise and build a few circuits to kick things into gear and I could get the transmitters (the most expensive part) and I know what I would use technique wise to play. And yea I would have a ball, I love my old profession, nothing like going head to head in C3 combat to make your day,
But you know really the question is why do it.
Get yourself a good detector and your 99% there already.
I will tell you I love the V1 and I will tell you why. Situational awareness...
Where I drive it is an 1 hour commute through indian country they like to shoot from ambush, while on the move toward you accross the interstate and from behind and they use laser too...
I got the V1 because it covers my 6 oclock and in 4 years 100,000 plus miles it has saved my but severial times and simply put it just works...
So situational awareness that is the key, for me the V1 is it It yells you what you need to know,
Who is out there,
what direction they are,
how close they are (signal streght)
how many there are.
There are other units out there that are worthy as well so it is your choice...
I have added a couple links
http://www.speedzones.com/
http://www.escortstore.com/jammer.htm
It isn't quite that simple. As to tell you how.
Electronic Combat and that is what were talking about here isn't easy and it isn't Cheap. That is why Uncle sam pays big bucks for his systems.
First you must understand the Building an Active Jammer can get you 10 years of plush federial housing (aka Prison).
Second the defensive system would cost proably cost in the area of severial thousand dollors to get it right and oh there isn't any gurentee it would be 100%. but it would be fun that is for sure...
However as a simple learning exercise I'll give you the reader digest condensed tour of what it would take .
OK it wouldn't be a single Jammer you need to protect you, actually you would need to build a small system.
you would need to start with a reciever capable of detecting radar (front and Rear) and telling the system what type of radar your up against
Then you have to have a computer with the program and the logic so it can smartly decide when to engage, ( this could be done off a laptop computer) because us humans are just to slow to react.
then you would need severial transmitters but at a minimum of 1-X-band, 1 K-band, 1 Ka-band pointing front and one set pointing to the rear. The transmitters would need to be very fast responding (turning on) and very stable and be able to have there frequency quickly adjusted to match the income radar, and the I would do some special things to mess with the logic of the radar gun...
An alternate methiod would be to take in the receive the radar signal, play with it, amplify it and send it back out again, this is proably just as complicated as the first methiod and you can't get radar repeater parts off the shelf this side of the defense industry and surley not at radio shack...
Oh you also need to be able to look through you own jamming but that is more indepth then we need to go here...
then you would need to study all the diffrent radar guns and figure out there weaknesses, (this isn't so hard once you know how they work and they weren't designed to operate in hostile enviroment)
What I am talking is severial times more expensive then the radar gun itself because in short you need to be able to defeat severial types of guns not just one type...
So could I do it yea, I got an older laptop, I know how to do some programming, I could get into the V1 detector I own figure out what I need trigger wise and build a few circuits to kick things into gear and I could get the transmitters (the most expensive part) and I know what I would use technique wise to play. And yea I would have a ball, I love my old profession, nothing like going head to head in C3 combat to make your day,
But you know really the question is why do it.
Get yourself a good detector and your 99% there already.
I will tell you I love the V1 and I will tell you why. Situational awareness...
Where I drive it is an 1 hour commute through indian country they like to shoot from ambush, while on the move toward you accross the interstate and from behind and they use laser too...
I got the V1 because it covers my 6 oclock and in 4 years 100,000 plus miles it has saved my but severial times and simply put it just works...
So situational awareness that is the key, for me the V1 is it It yells you what you need to know,
Who is out there,
what direction they are,
how close they are (signal streght)
how many there are.
There are other units out there that are worthy as well so it is your choice...
I have added a couple links
http://www.speedzones.com/
http://www.escortstore.com/jammer.htm
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Originally posted by Jimmer
LeanNCut,
First you must understand the Building an Active Jammer can get you 10 years of plush federial housing (aka Prison).
So could I do it yea, I got an older laptop, I know how to do some programming, I could get into the V1 detector I own figure out what I need trigger wise and build a few circuits to kick things into gear and I could get the transmitters (the most expensive part) and I know what I would use technique wise to play.
But you know really the question is why do it.
Get yourself a good detector and your 99% there already.
LeanNCut,
First you must understand the Building an Active Jammer can get you 10 years of plush federial housing (aka Prison).
So could I do it yea, I got an older laptop, I know how to do some programming, I could get into the V1 detector I own figure out what I need trigger wise and build a few circuits to kick things into gear and I could get the transmitters (the most expensive part) and I know what I would use technique wise to play.
But you know really the question is why do it.
Get yourself a good detector and your 99% there already.
Thank you for the quick info.
Plush Federal housing? Sign me up! :Mental image: Free HBO, bedding, food..:
Why do it? I love the Fed! :Cough $ullsh$t cough:
Get a good detector. Thanks, I already own a Bel 980.
Have a nice day.
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I was reading this thread and let me tell you some of it is quite amusing, the wabbit, the sacrificial lamb, those have been the best method I have found for avoiding a speeding ticket.
I have had two speeding tickets in my life (knocking wood) and both have come when I didnt have the dang thing turned on for what ever reason. The second ticket taught me to hardwire it in so it's always on.
The beauty of the F-150 is that I could permenantly mount it above the rear view mirror and do not need to constantly remove it because nobody can see it's there from the outside of the vehicle. That and the fact that the higher up you put it the better the detection distance has worked wonders for me.
I have had two speeding tickets in my life (knocking wood) and both have come when I didnt have the dang thing turned on for what ever reason. The second ticket taught me to hardwire it in so it's always on.
The beauty of the F-150 is that I could permenantly mount it above the rear view mirror and do not need to constantly remove it because nobody can see it's there from the outside of the vehicle. That and the fact that the higher up you put it the better the detection distance has worked wonders for me.
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I'd like to add a couple more thoughts on radar detectors. I do not know how much fact is here but for 6 years I drove a Pontiac Fiero (yes, have a good laugh, but it was a big gocart) and drove at high speeds without ever getting a ticket, even passed through a trap one time, now a friend of mine which is a law enforecemnt type told me back then that two things were working in my favor there, first I was driving a plastic car, second, the angles on the front end gave it a very small radar image. with this thought in mind I looked at my trusty 2001 F-150 and realized that it has a plastic front end, thats gotta help a little bit, as for angles, forget about it, i might as well be driving a target for those with the radar.
i'd like to ask one question, is there some truth to a rumor i heard somewhere about a 'special' paint that will defract lazer so that an actual speed reading will not be registered?
i'd like to ask one question, is there some truth to a rumor i heard somewhere about a 'special' paint that will defract lazer so that an actual speed reading will not be registered?
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I use a person as "interference" as I call it just like you all have, when I travel with others we take turns running it. From what I know the bigger and the morte metal on the vehicle the better it responds to radar. The only 2 times I have been stopped where in our 93 F350 (all metal) My 97 has never been stopped although I have a detector and use interference. I just love when a guy in a sports car passes me at 85 or 90. I also use my CB and my scanner so i am really set. My dad is a fireman and I have listened to police scanners for years so I know a lot more then the average joe about what they are saying and I love hittin the brakes lettin avery1 pass and then they get stopped a few miles up. BTW I use a whistler, forget what model and it has front and back eyes with k, ka, x, laser and a few other bands really a pretty damn nice detector for under $100, after I got my first ticket for $100 doing 61 in a 40--and I was slowing down (stupid kid showing off the diesel and its acceleration) I bought the detector and have never been stopped while I had it on.
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If you want to avoid tickets from radar get a good detector like a Valentine1 (I just have a cheapy), can't afford a V1.... yet.
Follow a wabbit doing way over the speed limit and let him/her get the ticket.
As for cops who never give warnings or tickets to people doing the speed limit and pissing everyone off in the fast lane.... you know what you can suck.
If you want to avoid pigs with laser (correctly called Lidar) because they don't really use a laser, they use focused light emitting high power emitters, there are a few things you can do.
1. Get yourself a sports car with a low profile like a firebird with the headlights down and flush.
2. Get the sports car and make sure it's painted black, flat black is even better but ugly.
3. Get rid of all your chrome on the front end and anything reflective.
4. Get yourself a lidar jammer. Theres only one that actually works. www.blinder.net
5. For ultimate protection, install a second blinder pointing out the back for pigs you just passed.
In November I had the pleasure of driving on the Autobahn in Germany. I had the rental car up to 210kph or 130mph. Everything over 115mph starts going pretty good. Anyhow, I have to say what a pleasure it was to not have to get all bug-eyed looking out for cops. People in the fast lane moved over for faster cars (even I got passed like I was standing still on occasion). If only the cone heads here would drive sensibly like they do over there with courtesy instead of "it's my job to slow you down in the fast lane" kinda ****. Nothing pisses me off more. Too bad hand guns aren't legal in Canada.
To the cops with a bad attitude that ticket drivers doing 2mpg over... get a real job. You're just a tax collector... a leech on society turning ordinary law-abiding citizens into criminals.
I haven't seen a radar trap in a school zone for a couple years now. There's something wrong with that picture.
Here in B.C. we have a new threat.... cops are trading in their now defunct photoradar vans and replacing them with undercover cars. They like Chevy Malibus, Chevy Tahoe's, and Ford/Chrysler mini vans. I saw a goddamn fullsize Ford Econoline van the other day too. Pretty soon we'll get pulled over by Ugo's.
F*ck them.
Follow a wabbit doing way over the speed limit and let him/her get the ticket.
As for cops who never give warnings or tickets to people doing the speed limit and pissing everyone off in the fast lane.... you know what you can suck.
If you want to avoid pigs with laser (correctly called Lidar) because they don't really use a laser, they use focused light emitting high power emitters, there are a few things you can do.
1. Get yourself a sports car with a low profile like a firebird with the headlights down and flush.
2. Get the sports car and make sure it's painted black, flat black is even better but ugly.
3. Get rid of all your chrome on the front end and anything reflective.
4. Get yourself a lidar jammer. Theres only one that actually works. www.blinder.net
5. For ultimate protection, install a second blinder pointing out the back for pigs you just passed.
In November I had the pleasure of driving on the Autobahn in Germany. I had the rental car up to 210kph or 130mph. Everything over 115mph starts going pretty good. Anyhow, I have to say what a pleasure it was to not have to get all bug-eyed looking out for cops. People in the fast lane moved over for faster cars (even I got passed like I was standing still on occasion). If only the cone heads here would drive sensibly like they do over there with courtesy instead of "it's my job to slow you down in the fast lane" kinda ****. Nothing pisses me off more. Too bad hand guns aren't legal in Canada.
To the cops with a bad attitude that ticket drivers doing 2mpg over... get a real job. You're just a tax collector... a leech on society turning ordinary law-abiding citizens into criminals.
I haven't seen a radar trap in a school zone for a couple years now. There's something wrong with that picture.
Here in B.C. we have a new threat.... cops are trading in their now defunct photoradar vans and replacing them with undercover cars. They like Chevy Malibus, Chevy Tahoe's, and Ford/Chrysler mini vans. I saw a goddamn fullsize Ford Econoline van the other day too. Pretty soon we'll get pulled over by Ugo's.
F*ck them.