2003 Tuner info for V-10
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2003 Tuner info for V-10
Hey Mike, I talked to your place earlier today, and got a return call but i wont be able to call back, so maybee you can let me know if my code is available. HMT1 is the code, if it available let me know.
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Oh i will have pics of my new 03 350 crewcab soon
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Oh i will have pics of my new 03 350 crewcab soon
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Hi firedude26,
Your code of HMT1 we have not done yet for the 2003 V-10's, so it is not yet available. Ford hasn't released it to the commercial subscription services yet, so it's just too new to have on the CD's we normally get all the new codes from. Now that can change at literally any time, we could see that code show up either on the CD's like we normally get them (which is about once a month), or from someone bringing their vehicle in or sending in their PCM for us to "read" it to get that code.
If you like, we can always read your PCM & get your code that way immediately, and then we can make the Superchip for it. That can be accomplished either by you coming here to us, or by overnighting the PCM in to us & then us overnighting it back out to you after the read, so you'd have 2 days of vehicle downtime if you send it in. It's either that, or just wait until we do get that code done, which could be literally anywhere from as quick as tomorrow to as long as a few months down the road, it just depends on how quickly we get a copy of the factory program for that code.
So that's the scoop for now.
One other thing I should mention is that if you'd like to have us put you on our "list of codes" to notify you as soon as your code *is* available, please shoot us an email with your name, email address, vehicle info including the computer code, and then you'll be notified automatically whenever your code becomes available.
Good luck with your new '03 V-10!
Your code of HMT1 we have not done yet for the 2003 V-10's, so it is not yet available. Ford hasn't released it to the commercial subscription services yet, so it's just too new to have on the CD's we normally get all the new codes from. Now that can change at literally any time, we could see that code show up either on the CD's like we normally get them (which is about once a month), or from someone bringing their vehicle in or sending in their PCM for us to "read" it to get that code.
If you like, we can always read your PCM & get your code that way immediately, and then we can make the Superchip for it. That can be accomplished either by you coming here to us, or by overnighting the PCM in to us & then us overnighting it back out to you after the read, so you'd have 2 days of vehicle downtime if you send it in. It's either that, or just wait until we do get that code done, which could be literally anywhere from as quick as tomorrow to as long as a few months down the road, it just depends on how quickly we get a copy of the factory program for that code.
So that's the scoop for now.
One other thing I should mention is that if you'd like to have us put you on our "list of codes" to notify you as soon as your code *is* available, please shoot us an email with your name, email address, vehicle info including the computer code, and then you'll be notified automatically whenever your code becomes available.
Good luck with your new '03 V-10!
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Mike FYI, I installed a tuner 1715, for a friend in a 01 V-10, he claims he bettered his mileage by 68 miles per tank(30 gal)!! thats better than 2 MPG, he is blown away and is just crazy happy with it.
Is that a realistic figure? have they seen that mileage with the V-10? And what are the HP and Torque figures with the Superchips programming with the V-10?
Is that a realistic figure? have they seen that mileage with the V-10? And what are the HP and Torque figures with the Superchips programming with the V-10?
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Hi jstang,
That's an excellent question, and yes, we do have some info on that................
I don't have all the various numbers to verify that he actually got 2.0 more mpg obviously, but assuming that number is actually correct, that the additional 68 miles he got for that tank did in fact work out to a full 2 mpg gain (and I'm sure you've already been over all that, of course, as you're always very thorough),
yes, it is *possible*, though that is a bit more than the average increase in mpg we usually see in most V-10's. We usually see more like 1.0-1.5 more mpg, but there have also been a few that have seen as much as 3.0 mpg gains on the V-10's under ideal conditions with the best fuel quality, and as much as 3.5 mpg gains on V-8 F-150's under similar ideal conditions, just to give you a rough idea of what we've seen here over the years............
How the vehicle is operated will of course affect fuel mileage, but we also have to realize that any difference in energy content between the fuel being used before the Superchips tuning (usually 87 octane) and the premium gas required with the Superchips tuning can affect this, too. For example, if someone was using a low-quality (meaning low BTU content per gallon) in their 87 octane fuel, but when they switched to premium gas to use the Superchisp tuning the premium gas just happened to have a higher energy content, then that too would contribute to the mpg gain. And the opposite is true as well of course, sometimes people will try to find the cheapest premium gas they can find to use with the Superchips tuning, and when that happens, we can sometimes see a *decrease* in fuel mileage in extreme situations, or a lower than average mpg gain, we've seen that happen a number of times. Just one of many reasons why we talk so much about fuel quality.
The potential for mpg gain with the Superchips tuning for naturally aspirated gasoline engines is primarily just a by-product of the increased spark advance, and specifically, on part-throttle. This is why we see the biggest mpg gains in the same conditions under which mpg is always better, which is when cruising, so the vehicle isn't acceleating & deceletating frequently.
So yes, overall I'd have to say that it is indeed possible to pick up as much as a full 2.0 mpg gain in the V-10 from the Superchips tuning, though that is a bit above the *average* mpg gain numbers we see in V-10's here at Performance. Of course, "average" is always just that, an average is merely a derived number including the highest and lowest and everything in between, so it includes those who got *no* gain due to a heavy right foot and/or lower energy premium fuel, as well as those occasional 3+ mpg gains reported.
That's an excellent question, and yes, we do have some info on that................
I don't have all the various numbers to verify that he actually got 2.0 more mpg obviously, but assuming that number is actually correct, that the additional 68 miles he got for that tank did in fact work out to a full 2 mpg gain (and I'm sure you've already been over all that, of course, as you're always very thorough),
yes, it is *possible*, though that is a bit more than the average increase in mpg we usually see in most V-10's. We usually see more like 1.0-1.5 more mpg, but there have also been a few that have seen as much as 3.0 mpg gains on the V-10's under ideal conditions with the best fuel quality, and as much as 3.5 mpg gains on V-8 F-150's under similar ideal conditions, just to give you a rough idea of what we've seen here over the years............
How the vehicle is operated will of course affect fuel mileage, but we also have to realize that any difference in energy content between the fuel being used before the Superchips tuning (usually 87 octane) and the premium gas required with the Superchips tuning can affect this, too. For example, if someone was using a low-quality (meaning low BTU content per gallon) in their 87 octane fuel, but when they switched to premium gas to use the Superchisp tuning the premium gas just happened to have a higher energy content, then that too would contribute to the mpg gain. And the opposite is true as well of course, sometimes people will try to find the cheapest premium gas they can find to use with the Superchips tuning, and when that happens, we can sometimes see a *decrease* in fuel mileage in extreme situations, or a lower than average mpg gain, we've seen that happen a number of times. Just one of many reasons why we talk so much about fuel quality.
The potential for mpg gain with the Superchips tuning for naturally aspirated gasoline engines is primarily just a by-product of the increased spark advance, and specifically, on part-throttle. This is why we see the biggest mpg gains in the same conditions under which mpg is always better, which is when cruising, so the vehicle isn't acceleating & deceletating frequently.
So yes, overall I'd have to say that it is indeed possible to pick up as much as a full 2.0 mpg gain in the V-10 from the Superchips tuning, though that is a bit above the *average* mpg gain numbers we see in V-10's here at Performance. Of course, "average" is always just that, an average is merely a derived number including the highest and lowest and everything in between, so it includes those who got *no* gain due to a heavy right foot and/or lower energy premium fuel, as well as those occasional 3+ mpg gains reported.
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Heres what he says,He fills up 2 times weekly. He logged the mileage hauling shingles/roofing materials(has own business) with a trailer. He went into the landfill at 13,400, and came out empty 9400(trailer included).
He said he would get about 10 mpg with the way he drives, and before the exact same trip/load he could make 4 runs and be empty(fuel) he did this same run after the tuner and finished the day with a 1/4 tank.
He is blown away, you should hear him rant. when he did finish off the tank it was 68 miles.
I almost don't belive him. I'd have to see it myself. He also states, no more hunting for gears(transmission), and less pedal up hills and on the highway.
Always used premium fuel. I haven't G-teched it yet, I was wondering what kind of gains they have been seeing(HP and Torque) on average.
He said he would get about 10 mpg with the way he drives, and before the exact same trip/load he could make 4 runs and be empty(fuel) he did this same run after the tuner and finished the day with a 1/4 tank.
He is blown away, you should hear him rant. when he did finish off the tank it was 68 miles.
I almost don't belive him. I'd have to see it myself. He also states, no more hunting for gears(transmission), and less pedal up hills and on the highway.
Always used premium fuel. I haven't G-teched it yet, I was wondering what kind of gains they have been seeing(HP and Torque) on average.
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I improved at least 2 mph on my last one. and the power was noticable. when i would go up north i would get from 14-16 mpg. that is driving on the average of 55- 60 mph. Kicking it in to passing gear a few times. (empty) Just driving it around town and back and forth to work i averaged 11-12 with chip. Without it was 9-10. I cant wait to get my tuner. I am going to email all the info to you mike. I dont want to mail it down ther just in case something happens to it in the mail. You guys should go to your local dealer and test drive one with that code in it and take it back and read them, lol jk.
One thing i have noticed is that this one seems more responsive than my other 2 2000's. I dont think ford made any changes. it is weird. i will have my pics posted soon as soon as i get all the goodies on it.
Also i have decided to skip the duals, i dont need any low end loss right now.
Again thanks mike
One thing i have noticed is that this one seems more responsive than my other 2 2000's. I dont think ford made any changes. it is weird. i will have my pics posted soon as soon as i get all the goodies on it.
Also i have decided to skip the duals, i dont need any low end loss right now.
Again thanks mike
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Hi jstang,
Those V-10's generally see about 22-25 horsepower at the rear wheels, & 38-40 lbs./ft. of torque at the wheels. Flywheel gains run anywhere from 28 to as much as 35 horsepower, and anywhere from 46 to as much as 54 lbs./ft. of torque, depending on model year and vehicle configuration. The trucks get more power stock, and thus gain a little bit more with the Superchips tuning as well; the V-10 vans make less power stock due to intake & exhaust plumbing restriction in the vans, of course.
I don't doubt that he saw another 2.0 mpg, if he did his calculations correctly and that's what it came out to, then that's what he got. We've certainly seen others get that much gain and even more in some cases, though the V-10's average about 1-1.5 more mpg overall, that's an average, so there are plenty of numbers above and below any average.
All in all, the V-10's basically respond the same as just about any other Ford naturally aspirated gasoline engine originally tuned for 87 octane from the factory, with about 10%-12% more horsepower and about 13%-15% more torque. These are the typical results of retuning those V-10 engines specifically for the use of premium gas and taking care of a few deficit areas in their factory tuning.
What you mentioned about the automatics hunting between 3rd & 4th (Overdrive) gears is one of the most common complaints in modern vehicles (not jsut Fords) with Overdrive automatic trannys. Overdrive has spoiled many of us into thinking that these heavy vehicles should be able to haul big loads and/or go uphill without downshifting, and that just isn't realistic. The only way to really improve that is to increase torque right where these OHC engines really don't want to make torque, at lower rpms on part-throttle. The Superchips tuning does help that, as both horsepower and torque are increased at any rpm, and more importantly, at any throttle position. As a result, we hear the same thing your friend with the V-10 said very frequently, that the transmission does less hunting with the Superchips tuning.
Peak gains are one thing, but there are areas of the program where the power gains are even larger than the absolute peak power increases, due to areas of deficit in the factory tuning. So while he may have picked up say, 35 lbs./ft. of torque at the wheels in terms of the increase over previous *peak*, he may have another 45+ lbs./ft. of torque at say, 1800 rpm or 2400 rpm, etc., on part-throttle. It's just a matter of how much room is left for improvement at each throttle position/rpm/load point, basically.
Thanks for your post,
Those V-10's generally see about 22-25 horsepower at the rear wheels, & 38-40 lbs./ft. of torque at the wheels. Flywheel gains run anywhere from 28 to as much as 35 horsepower, and anywhere from 46 to as much as 54 lbs./ft. of torque, depending on model year and vehicle configuration. The trucks get more power stock, and thus gain a little bit more with the Superchips tuning as well; the V-10 vans make less power stock due to intake & exhaust plumbing restriction in the vans, of course.
I don't doubt that he saw another 2.0 mpg, if he did his calculations correctly and that's what it came out to, then that's what he got. We've certainly seen others get that much gain and even more in some cases, though the V-10's average about 1-1.5 more mpg overall, that's an average, so there are plenty of numbers above and below any average.
All in all, the V-10's basically respond the same as just about any other Ford naturally aspirated gasoline engine originally tuned for 87 octane from the factory, with about 10%-12% more horsepower and about 13%-15% more torque. These are the typical results of retuning those V-10 engines specifically for the use of premium gas and taking care of a few deficit areas in their factory tuning.
What you mentioned about the automatics hunting between 3rd & 4th (Overdrive) gears is one of the most common complaints in modern vehicles (not jsut Fords) with Overdrive automatic trannys. Overdrive has spoiled many of us into thinking that these heavy vehicles should be able to haul big loads and/or go uphill without downshifting, and that just isn't realistic. The only way to really improve that is to increase torque right where these OHC engines really don't want to make torque, at lower rpms on part-throttle. The Superchips tuning does help that, as both horsepower and torque are increased at any rpm, and more importantly, at any throttle position. As a result, we hear the same thing your friend with the V-10 said very frequently, that the transmission does less hunting with the Superchips tuning.
Peak gains are one thing, but there are areas of the program where the power gains are even larger than the absolute peak power increases, due to areas of deficit in the factory tuning. So while he may have picked up say, 35 lbs./ft. of torque at the wheels in terms of the increase over previous *peak*, he may have another 45+ lbs./ft. of torque at say, 1800 rpm or 2400 rpm, etc., on part-throttle. It's just a matter of how much room is left for improvement at each throttle position/rpm/load point, basically.
Thanks for your post,
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Hi Firedude26,
Sounds like you got some nice mpg gains too, that's always a nice plus in addition to increasing available power.
As I've been discussing with jstang (and as we've all talked about many times here over the years), the improvement in fuel mileage is really a by-product of our primary goal, which is to increase power, so we view it as "icing on the cake," so to speak. There is indeed some nice potential for mpg gains, absolutely. You mention driving at 55-60 mph or so and getting 2 mpg gains, you may have found an ideal cruising speed for best mpg gains, whether on purpose or by accident, at any rate those are great gains.
It will be interesting to see what happens on your 2003 V-10!
Sounds like you got some nice mpg gains too, that's always a nice plus in addition to increasing available power.
As I've been discussing with jstang (and as we've all talked about many times here over the years), the improvement in fuel mileage is really a by-product of our primary goal, which is to increase power, so we view it as "icing on the cake," so to speak. There is indeed some nice potential for mpg gains, absolutely. You mention driving at 55-60 mph or so and getting 2 mpg gains, you may have found an ideal cruising speed for best mpg gains, whether on purpose or by accident, at any rate those are great gains.
It will be interesting to see what happens on your 2003 V-10!
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OK Mike got tuner today, i will upload info tommarow and call you for shipping info.
Cant wait i am gonna put a K&N intake system on it also if that makes a difference in program.
Cant wait i am gonna put a K&N intake system on it also if that makes a difference in program.
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Hi Firedude26,
OK, glad to hear it got there.
No, we do not need to do anything different in the tuning in these vehicles for an intake kit (that differs on some vehicles), and if you haven't picked up that K&N FIPK kit yet, you might want to look at the Air Force One unit instead, as it will gain more power & is made of much higher quality materials. If the K&N is already on the way, don't change it, it will certainly be OK, just letting youk now in case.
Good luck & have a great Turkey Day!
OK, glad to hear it got there.
No, we do not need to do anything different in the tuning in these vehicles for an intake kit (that differs on some vehicles), and if you haven't picked up that K&N FIPK kit yet, you might want to look at the Air Force One unit instead, as it will gain more power & is made of much higher quality materials. If the K&N is already on the way, don't change it, it will certainly be OK, just letting youk now in case.
Good luck & have a great Turkey Day!
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Hi Firedude26,
The Air Force One line of intake systems is made by Air Force One Performance Industries, Inc. The link to see the kit for your V10 is here, just make sure to look at the close-up view once you get there, so it'll take 2 clicks:
http://airforceoneperformance.com/bi...superduty.html
It's still not the best picture, you just never really get a proper feel for how nice it is until you see it in the box, and then put it on the truck.
It's got a inverted ram-top style air fitler, so you pick up the cold air coming in from the fenderwell inlet, etc. It's a beautiful intake, we use them on all our own vehicles.
Their background is in jet aircraft actually, and they have applied some of those principles to their line of intakes, which is a primary reason why their intakes generally make anywhere from 2-5 more horsepower than what the #2 intakes make in every application we've tested, on average.
Air Force One has hit a home run in that it's the intake that makes the most power, it's the intake that uses the highest quality components (aircraft grade T304 stainless steel that is mirror-polished by hand) and also is the one that looks the best under the hood. Almost never do we see the same part doing the best job on all 3 areas (function, quality & style), but they have managed to do just that.
To get more info on them, give us a shout when you can & we can get you all the scoop, etc.
The Air Force One line of intake systems is made by Air Force One Performance Industries, Inc. The link to see the kit for your V10 is here, just make sure to look at the close-up view once you get there, so it'll take 2 clicks:
http://airforceoneperformance.com/bi...superduty.html
It's still not the best picture, you just never really get a proper feel for how nice it is until you see it in the box, and then put it on the truck.
It's got a inverted ram-top style air fitler, so you pick up the cold air coming in from the fenderwell inlet, etc. It's a beautiful intake, we use them on all our own vehicles.
Their background is in jet aircraft actually, and they have applied some of those principles to their line of intakes, which is a primary reason why their intakes generally make anywhere from 2-5 more horsepower than what the #2 intakes make in every application we've tested, on average.
Air Force One has hit a home run in that it's the intake that makes the most power, it's the intake that uses the highest quality components (aircraft grade T304 stainless steel that is mirror-polished by hand) and also is the one that looks the best under the hood. Almost never do we see the same part doing the best job on all 3 areas (function, quality & style), but they have managed to do just that.
To get more info on them, give us a shout when you can & we can get you all the scoop, etc.
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Well ups picked it up yesterday, i cant wait. I also want to get a Air force one unit from you. I will try and call Monday sometime and see about ordering one. Tell superchips to speed up the tuner i need it bad, lol. What other improvements can i do to improve hp and mileage other than the real high dollar things?
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Hi Firedude26,
It'll take a little while before they have the new program done, it's that time of year & new codes are coming in literally everyday, so there is always some backlog getting all the new codes each model year. They'll get it done as quickly as is reasonably possible, and the sooner it gets there, the sooner it gets back, so glad to hear it's on it's way!
There are plenty of things that can be done to raise power further, once the Superchip and the AF1 intake are on, then it's time to take care of the exhaust, and from there, thigns like electric fans, underdrive pulleys, headers, MAF, TB, supercharger, ported heads and plenty more things can be done. There is literally no limit to how far the vehicle can be taken, and at this point you're very early on in the process, so there's plenty of simple bolt-on stuff to do before you need to get into the more involved modifications to get power gains.
In other words, your fun is just starting.................
It'll take a little while before they have the new program done, it's that time of year & new codes are coming in literally everyday, so there is always some backlog getting all the new codes each model year. They'll get it done as quickly as is reasonably possible, and the sooner it gets there, the sooner it gets back, so glad to hear it's on it's way!
There are plenty of things that can be done to raise power further, once the Superchip and the AF1 intake are on, then it's time to take care of the exhaust, and from there, thigns like electric fans, underdrive pulleys, headers, MAF, TB, supercharger, ported heads and plenty more things can be done. There is literally no limit to how far the vehicle can be taken, and at this point you're very early on in the process, so there's plenty of simple bolt-on stuff to do before you need to get into the more involved modifications to get power gains.
In other words, your fun is just starting.................
