I am having problems understanding the hype about the power hungry performance chips and custom tunes. I understand that it is one of the only programmers that can be tailored to what you have in your truck. I will say that is a great virtue it has over most others. But I bought the edge evo before I knew about the gryphon, before I even became a member on this site. I do not see any major benifiets to swithing over. I am currently very happy with the set up I have now on my truck. ( CAI, EDGE EVO, FLOWMASTER 40D SISO)
I did some research through both companies, I called edge and asked if they provided or had guidence when it came to custom tunes. Obviously they said no and sent me to powerhungry performance. So, I called them and asked what they had to offer. The gentleman I spoke to said that if I am having no problems with my truck, there most likely won't be, and it would be a waste of my money to switch over. This is a salesman at POWERHUNGRY PERFORMANCE! I thanked him for his honesty. I also informed him that I had a CAI on my truck. He said great... what's the problem. So did some more research...
I found that the horsepower gained from a CAI IS FROM the lean conditions. It allows for more air to get into the combustion chamber, to allow more efficient combustion. Meaning you do not need as much fuel to create the same amount of horsepower (but our 5.4 engine does compensate with more fuel, making extra horsepower). The MAF is more than capable of handling the extra air into the truck also, it good for about 450 HP (and the oil from the filter only clogs the MAF is someone is stupid and over oils there filter). And if you try and compensate for the CAI with a custom tune, you are basically canceling any gains in HP out. Now all of the sudden there is a 300 dollar cosmetic part underneath your truck. Whats funny about the prized Gotts mod is it does the same exact thing, only it is cheaper. I do not believe it is as efficient as the tested and proven K&N CAI. Hell, the military uses K&N technology on its UAV's. Trust me on that one.
So, what I am really asking is, has someone done more research? Am I missing something? I love my truck, and I love the engine, and I do not want it to break. But i do not see the point in switching to Gryphon. And people keep preaching it everytime some one mentions CAI. Also, am I wrong about the CAI? I have had the CAI for about 12,000 miles. I have had the edge evo for about half that. So far I have had no problems. I have only gained a more pleasurable driving experience. I just installed a flowmaster muffler this weekend. I love it. But like I said, I have had no issues with my truck. So I am seeing this custom tune hype as exactly what it is... hype.

2007 F150 FX2 SPORT 5.4 CAI, EDGE EVO, FLOWMASTER SISO, ROYAL PURLE FULL SYN.

 

Yes, you are wrong about the WASHOOBI and the custom tunes.

Call Edge and ask them if their product is meant to be used in conjunction with a WASHOOBI.

 

You know, both of you are quick to insult, but have no facts backing up your argument. Calling me and idiot doesn't change the facts. And if I am so wrong, lets hear why.

 

And I did ask edge about the CAI, and they said if I dadn't seen any problems yet, I most likely won't see any problems.

 

I don't see how YET again we have to prove something to someone who is too LAZY to use the SEARCH FEATURE

 

Insult? Really?

Sounds good to me. After all it's not my truck.

https://www.f150online.com/forums/2971722-post10.html

https://www.f150online.com/forums/1902391-post6.html

https://www.f150online.com/forums/1904623-post9.html

https://www.f150online.com/forums/ex...ml#post4235133

 

Damian, I apologize for TJ's lack of tact and have removed his post. It is just that we get tired of answering this same question when it is there in previous threads, over and over. I will try to summarize my experience and understanding.

Edge tunes are written for stock intakes, their manual says so. Many aftermarket intakes relocates the MAF in such a position that it can not compensate for the extra air getting by it, so the engine runs lean. The 2004s and 2005s came from the factory in a near lean condition and this can be very damaging to them, but any 5.4 3v is subject to running lean with a CAI. You can be running lean and damaging your engine slowly and never know it.

Bill, at PHP helped write Edge's canned tunes and now has his own company writing custom tunes. I have no idea who you talked to there, but there is a major difference in his custom tunes and the canned tunes. I ran the Edge level 3 for 31,000 miles think I was totally satisfied. I finally gave in to the "hype" and ordered an 87 Perf tune and a 93 Perf tune. There is a huge difference. I now have 61,000 miles on the 87 Perf tune. It provides about the same power as the canned level 3 and the shifting and downshifting is far superior.

This is just the tip of the iceberg and all I have time for right now. Please do use the search feature, look at info on CAIs and also custom tunes. Hopefully you will see the light as I did.

 

If you're going to run a tune from the Edge, stick to the tow tune. It is written to be a bit rich. That will help offset the intake.

The issue is this...Yes, the truck is able to compensate for the slight lean condition caused by the intake. Unfortunately, the truck is only able to compensate to an extent. If something else happens to make the truck run lean then you don't have as much free play.

 

Thank you for being polite, and I did not realize there was already posts about this issue. I just get sick of hearing about these things with no fact backing them up. So, I thank you bluejay and longshot. And I do run the tow tune for daily driving and I love it. So it is worth it to switch then. That is what I wanted to know.

 

It is definitely worth the switch. I have been running my custom 87 performance tune from PHP for over two years now.

 

I have had both and the difference between the edge 91 performance and the custom PHP 87 performance is non-existant. There is only anecdotal evidence on the matter, as I have yet to see a dyno comparing PHP tunes to the Edge tunes.

If the edge offered an 87 performance tune I would have never upgraded, but their tow tune just falls on its face when you punch it, and I don't want to buy premium gas. Simple as that.

 

Edge level 3 = PHP 87 performance. Believe it!

 

that is the one reason i decided to upgrade.

 

I will stick with my gotts mod and edge level 2 until i can afford to upgrade to the php 87 performance, paying for weddings drains the truck funds

 

Very true and must less expensive at the pump! Worth the upgrade!