I was on here a couple of years ago because i had a 07 f150 with a kn intake, so i got a starky tune because of all the praise. It ran really crappy(pinging and backfires through the intake and more issues) and i asked for help and just got mainly ignorant guys telling me i was wrong, it wasnt the tunes and so on.It was a very heated thread. Justin even commented and tried to help. In the end I was the one who figured it out and alot of you should thank me because it had a direct effect on many. I live in oregon and they are e10 fuel-ethenol was added to gas, this was causing the tune to run lean among other things. well he did finally send me new tunes for the ethenol added and thats why they now ask you if your state has e10 when you are pluging in your info for a new programmer. (your welcome) But my truck was returned to stock but never ran the same, and i never used the new tunes. I was to worried about going through that again.
I sold the truck, I had to the dealer could not fix the misses that developed.(another long story) So i got the same truck but one year newer. this time the strategy is of by one and asked justin what to do and i was told i have to buy all new tunes. I know changing it is not as hard as writing new tunes from scratch so im going to ask him if he could lower the price. I think they should be free. so when you buy a programmer remember this.

 

Different truck, different strategy, different tune. Seems simple, pay up.

 

Will never hurt to ask, but:


For myself (and I have had direct experience with both situations), IF I required an update past the 6-month window, and/or I purchased a new truck and wanted an existing handheld programmer to be updated with new calibrations, I'd fully expect to pay for it.

Any unique arrangements due to yer specific histroy would be strictly between yerself and Justin.

BTW - tuners have been asking the 'E10' question well before 2007 ... just fyi ...

Good luck.

MGD

 

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I remember your thread, and if I was Justin I wouldn't do business with you again expecially since you were to scared to try the revised tunes Justin sent you last time

 

good info mgd thanx , I hope it works out. I write these threads for the people like me who really dont get into the discussions and arguments because there is no point. I just want the guy who is here for info on his truck and needs help. For people who are deciding which tunner is best for them in the long run, since its such a popular question here. So far justin has helped but like i said he wanted me to buy all new tunes and did not mention the one free update. Im writing him now to see if he wants to help, you never know. Ill get back when i hear something. All opinions are appreciated, even ones that dont agree that is the point.
reason for not putting the tune back in( i hope this is the last time, sure) is the truck was never the same even in stock form. Cant put a tune on a truck running crappy and the dealer tried and failed to fix. So i traded in and started over, loosing alot of money in the process, alot!!! So questioning whether to go through that again is a question im sure many could appreciate. So the new truck didnt have same mods till recently and obviously different strategy and here we are. My opinion is we are still on the original problem and i should get the help i want. I got sucked back in writing the same thing over again. I never learn. But as far as when they started asking about your states fuel regs, i was talking about VMP since they are the tunner i was using and disscusing.

 

Go to your local dyno and get it tuned and stop making Justin seem like a bad guy. If there is a problem with the dyno tune, you will be on site with them to have it fixed. You seem like one of those guys who likes to think "Customer Support" means "Whine and get free ****," no offense. That is what you are coming off as. Also, the E10 was a flex fuel thing, did you mention to Justin that you needed it to be for flex fuel?

 

Easy there, cowboy.

First - the OP's post did not appear as whining to me, imho. Simply informational.

Tuners can and will make accommodations with customers depending upon specific circumstances - and my hope is that this is one such situation.

Secondly - you may want to do yer homework - E10 is NOT E85 ( flex fuel) .. okay? E10 is just about entrenched everywhere these days. And does not connote any 'flex-fuel' requirements, other than tuning adjustments for safe and optimal usage of same.

My reference was simply that Troyer Performance, f'rinstance, has been requiring their customers to answer that question since .. well, forever ... lol. As the effects of E10 'dilution' are both well-known and non-trivial.

I for one applaud the OP for bringing this to the fore.


As for local dynos ... I'd rather get an email tune from Justin, Mike or Bill than rely on a local shop of questionable ability/expertise/EXPERIENCE on the F-150 platform. It DOES matter. But that's just me.



MGD

PS - on a Lighter note: go rent 'Heat', the movie (incredibly well done BD transfer, as well) - Deniro, Pacino, Kilmer, Sizemore, Portman - UN-BE-LIEVE-A-BLE. A Classic.

 

HAH i love heat, my top 5 fav. I just gave up educating all the idiots on these sites, the e10 correction for that guy is just exhausting writing back to all these guys who have alot to say, but its all wrong(somtimes fun to read when they think they are so right). Thanx for the explanation to the kids

 

Roger THAT, buddy!

MG 'effin' D

 

I know that I am not a genius with cars, I am trying to learn. At least I don't whine when something that you should have mentioned was not brought up. If you know so much, why didn't you mention to him it was for E10.

 

so I got a message from justin and he said he would fix my tune and ive been waiting to get the tune to see if it works before i wrote again. But its been a few weeks already so i dont think im on his hurry up list. But im just glad he is going to help. so if you are considering who to get tunes from this might guide you a little. Now he did say no the first time i askes for a fix and i read a few post here (thanks for that) and saw that he does give a free one time retune, so i reminded him and he agreed. so wether or not he follows through or not we will see. It seems it has been a big hassle with this tunner but we only have a limited selection of who to use. I baised my choice on what i read here, thats why posts like this are important. people who state ignorant comments you just have to ignore and wait for the good guys on here posting. Alot of guys on here are idiots dont be discouraged, they are just lonely loosers with nothing better to do. they think thier number of posts is a high score. right now im not sure if i would recomend him, not enough info, but it has been a real hassle. most tunners I know are a pain to get help from unless they really bitch here. After a person voices complaints on line i have seen almost immediate responce from tunner and it happen to me also. Thats why this site is important, they are selling a service and if that service is not good let others know it will keep them honest, even with the tunner loyal idiots who think thier tunner can do no wrong because thier tune worked for them.

 

Cool it, Blackest! It's OK to have opinions, but don't "tar everyone here with the same brush".

Wait till you get your tune(s) and then, if you feel the same feel free to comment (factually and unemotionally) on the quality of the tunes, not on the opinions of the members in this forum.

If that is not acceptable, feel free to vote with your feet.

- Jack

 

suck it jack, tired of repeating myself there are plenty of good people on the site thats why i come(try and read my whole post next time) and i even thanked them (mgd) for the help but the majority of the big mouths here are idiots and just like to read thier own post. And im not going anywhere this place is good for help if you need and just read for info not to post. that is who im trying to reach. dam got sucked in again. im not stating my opinion just the facts that happen to me. never said anything bad about site just the opposite it has saved me many a time.but alot of people on here make it hard to find the answer some of us need.

 

I'll leave the thread open (for now) in the hope of some "constructive" comments.

But, I'll not stand by and allow someone to post statements like: "Alot of guys on here are idiots dont be discouraged, they are just lonely loosers with nothing better to do. they think thier number of posts is a high score." And, similar comments that appeared in this thread, without giving the author time to "reconsider" what he is saying.

And, to everyone - if you have a problem with what I'm saying, take it up with me personally, in a PM. I have a pretty thick skin and don't mind discussing things like this (offline).

- Jack