I have had my 2010 F150 5.4 4x4 for a few months now and want to get a tuner. I had the same truck in a 2006 model with an EDGE Evolution and was happy with the features and overall performance.The truck ran flawlessly for 250,000 miles and I think the programmer had a little to do with it.

My problem is the more I search the site the more confused I get. Are the new release EDGE units up to par with the older units or do I look at Hypertech. I have seen Gryphon but I am not sure if this a tuner or a company that sells tuners.

I did like the dash unit aspect of the evolution on my 06 so I lean toward those type units but I need some help.

I apologize up front for starting another thread on these tuners but I could not get what I was looking for with a search.

 

Do you want a display on the dash?

If you don't need a display then go with SCT and custom tunes.

If you do want a display them get the CS or CTS. Just warning you that there is more fluff than stuff with this new edge platform. If you do go with the edge route PHP can write custom tunes for them.....

 

88 (sorry long post - but would like your feedback)

I too am in GMAN's boat - I had an Edge Evolution tuner on my '05 5.4 Lariat 4x4 and it worked flawlessly over the life of the truck. I'm not into custom programming and the "canned" tunes in the Edge were fine for me...made the engine run like it should have from the factory (decreased the throttle delay, firmed up the shifts a bit, etc.). About a year ago I purchased an '09 Platinum SCREW 4x4 and at first it seemed as if Ford had finally programmed the engine/trans software manaement system right out of the box. But over the past year I have noticed several attributes of the stock software that makes the truck a pain to drive:

1) When giving it partial throttle (15% - 25%) between 35mph to 50mph the engine hesitates/doesn't seem to want to accelerate and I end up having to apply 3/4 throttle to get it to accelerate.

2) When entering a freeway on-ramp with the throttle at 50% - 75% and having to let up on the throttle for a second to merge,then reapplying the throttle - the engine goes into a full 1 to 2 second hesitation mode, then it "wakes up" and the tranny SLAMS into gear and it finally begins accelerating. Hate the hesitation/slamming and have had a couple of instances where trying to pass I've had angry motorsits on my rear bumper as the truck "hesitates" and I have the throttle floored.

3) Ford reflashed it once about 3 mos after I bought it new, (current mileage is 13K) to eleminate a reverse shudder and it mostly worked - still get the shudder on occaision.

My take is this hesitation is inherent in the software programming (thinking too much/too many variables it has to consider before responding, etc.) as my '01 Lincoln LS V8 did the same thing and Ford said I'd have to live with it. Curious if you have heard anything about my above issues...I'd rather have it fixed properly - but if it is inherent in the programming - I'll buy another Tuner...or get rid to the truck.

 

I ran the Edge for 30,000 miles and was happy too and then got custom tunes from PHP. A world of difference. MUCH better shifting and downshifting. I have about 50,000 on the custom tune.

 

By the way, Bill at PHP, that writes the custom tunes, wrote the canned tunes for Edge when he was an employee.

 

Bluejay - you are tempting me. I'm going to show my ignorance here...but a couple of things about the custom tune. I thought I had read several threads here in the past that folks were having to wait a long time and going with unanswered calls/emails with the custom tune guys...is this true of PHP? Also, don't they have to have the truck there and run it on a dyno to develop a truly custom tune? Thanks, for the heads up and if this is something I can do w/o driving cross country I'm all over it

 

Yes.....
You do have to wait for the custom tunes.
But....
With the new edge CS.CTS you do not have to send it to PHP for the unit to be converted. You keep on using it while you wait.
You'll have to wait for them to be written.

Communications problems?
That in itself is seems to be a matter of opinion.

It's......
Your truck
Your money
Your choice

 

What he said^^^.

It is definitely true that you can get a little better tune if you are on a dyno and if you are close enough, that is the way to go for the optimum. However. These guys writing tunes know what a particular HEX code contains and they can get very close, writing a tune for any specific HEX.

 

But if you buy a Gryphon from PHP they wait time is supposedly 1-2 weeks correct? You get the Gryphon with canned tunes while you wait on your custom tunes? I thought my questions were pertinent to the topic or I would have started a new thread. Sorry if I am wrong.

 

Well ya can't buy it anywhere else !

You should get it in days. It's the 'custom' part that involves a queue.

Don't wanna wait? Go SCT via www.vmptuning.com

You will get yer hardware AND all yer top-notch custom tunes within a couple/few days. Or, expedited, even sooner.

Want gauges with that? Then order a Livewire, or get a Scangauge - or any other monitor of yer choice - there are several.

Simple.....

MGD

 

Not sure how they are doing the Gryphon at the present time. That was teh case at one point, but I know there for awhile, if you ordered custome tunes and knew your HEX already, they would wait and ship it with the custom tunes already loaded.

If you want to know specifically how they are funtioning right now, you could join their web site. They have a forum there for your questions. They are a great bunch to do business with. Good people.

 

You are correct.......for your "2008 f150"

The OP has a 2010 which can only use the the CS or CTS platforms which is offered by PHP edge and other vendors.

The 2009-10 cannot use the original monochrome Gryphon like the 2004-08 can.

The CS.CTS platforms are available for these years of f150s 1997-2010 and it doesn't matter where its purchased from, PHP can write you custom tunes for it.

As stated before SCT products are also available for the 2009-10 but not the live wire.

 

Yeah, I guess I was being redundant on that one

Sorry about that. Didn't know. Getting ready to purchase a Gryphon and just a tad overexcited I guess.

 

Thanks all for the excellent feedback...sounds like I'm going to have to give PHP a call about some tunes...anyone else have the stock tune issues I described in my earlier post (see above)?

 

I don't, but I don't have a 2009 truck. However, I expect Ford would be working to solve this problem. Since it's a whole new software system, there's going to be bugs, and it takes time to eliminate them all. A dealer would not know about this of course, but I'd continue to ask your dealer about any newer TCM flashes to correct it.

- Jack