My other thread requesting this information has repeatedly turned into a 'transmission temperature' thread, so I am trying a fresh thread. Could someone please post your 0-60 time before and after programming an '09 or '10 5.4 F150? I am particularly interested in the Gryphon CS/CTS, but would appreciate any data. If anyone has a before and after dyno, that would be great as well (other than the one from the beta Gryphon in 21 months ago).

Thanks!

 

I should have mine set up tomorrow for you. I'll post then (waiting on support from edge's engineers since ford flashed my ECM with a new set of tunes that are not yet supported by the tuner; should be settled tomorrow)

 

Wow. A second thread.

By now, you could have obtained yer own tuner and posted this info yerself

It's about so much more than a 0-60 time anyway - and if you think another 25-30HP on a 6,000lb + truck is going to give you a huge reduction in this specific metric, be prepared to be somewhat disappointed ...

MGD

 

I installed mine this weekend but I did not get to run any tests due to bad weather. If it was nice this today I would of went out and did a test for you. Im not leaving the programmer installed in my truck so im not sure when im going to be able to run some tests for you. On top of that I probably wont be in the truck again until the weekend. I really dont run my truck very hard because its still going to be slow, lol. I bought the programmer mainly to improve the transmission and I am very happy on that end. The truck shifts alot smoother and faster than stock but it not harsh at all, it should of came this way from the factory. I wonder on level 3 will the shifts get even firmer, I just really dont want to pay for the 93. The truck also holds gears alot longer when going up hills and not always searching for gears like stock. The throttle response is greatly improved as well. I really cant comment on WOT improvements because I rarely go WOT unless im passing someone. Overall though the truck drives much better, I have it set on level 2 which is 87 Tow.

I would imagine a 1/2 second in the 1/4 mile test comparing stock vs level 2 at least. The gains mainly come from the transmission shifting faster. In stock form the truck really lagged on the shifts but with Edge all of that is firmed up. Hopefully someone will get you some results

 

I look forward to hearing the results. 0-60 isn't the most important thing to me, but it is one of the few quantifiable measurements that can give some indication of "goodness." MPG measurements would be nice, but since the temperature is dropping, gas mileage is dropping right now. I certainly would like to reduce the nearly two second lag between hitting the gas at highway speed and the truck downshifting and accelerating. It would also be nice to get full power when I hit it from a stop.

As far as the expected 0-60 improvement, if 0.5 seconds is achieved, I would be very happy.

I will probably just take the plunge and get a CTS soon

 

Okay, about my truck: 2009 F-150 Platinum 4x4 with 3.55 LS rear end differential, 6" Skyjacker lift on 35x12.5x20 **** Cepek Radial Fun Country II's on 20x10 ATX Thugs. I have an electric cutout that is before the muffler but after the cats (a valve that dumps the exhaust essentially). I also have a Gryphon CS that I am using on Level 2 Towing tune until my custom tunes come in.

0-60 Times:

Stock tune with 15/16 of a full tank of gas (~34 gallons): 11.2 seconds
Level 2 Tow Tune with 1/16 tank of gas (~2 gallons) and closed E-Cutout: 9.5 seconds
Level 2 Tow tune with 1/16 tank of gas (~2 gallons) and open E-Cutout: 8.9 seconds

Sorry for the variance in the gas levels, but it is weight equivalent to a 260 pound passenger.

 

Nice, considering the rolling stock & gearing.

Using CS for timing? May want to add a bit of a (+) fudge factor to overall times but the relative improvement deltas are still valid.

Other variables - ambient conditions between the runs. Factor in the weight and ignoring the above - approx ~1-1.5 sec improvement.

Significant on a heavy truck with just a tune and about right in general. 93+ should uncork it some, as will a perf tune that raises shift points and firms up shifting.

FYI - NEVER run that low in the tank - real good way to starve the fuel pump and induce all sorts of problems - you do NOT want lean misfires @ WOT, 5,000+ rpm ...

MGD

 

Yea, I know about that fudge factor, but I figured since he wanted comparisons, the fudge factor would be the same for all 3 so it would at least give the deltas between them.

And I also try to never let my gas tank get that low, but the only reason I did them then was because I had just gotten the tuner and was so excited to play with it, I didn't even notice where the gas level was haha.

But regardless, I was very impressed with the differences between Stock and Level 2, as well as with the E-Cutout open. I can't wait for my custom tunes. I have an 87 Performance coming, a 87 Tow, and a 87 Performance with the E-Cutout open.

 

Wow, 1.7 seconds is quite surprising! Did you correct your tire size when changing from the Stock tune to the Level 2 Tow tune? If so, this would correct the 10% speedometer error, resulting in the first test being a 0-66 instead of 0-60.

I have ordered my tuner, and will post my results as well. Thank you very much for running this test!

 

To be perfectly honest, the two runs that were one Level 2, I think I did the tire size correction wrong, so I think it was still accounting for stock size tires. But when I re-flashed to stock and did the run again, that was also on stock size tires.

Like I said before, there are a lot of things to consider with my data: wrong TS and GR for all the runs (but the same wrong data for all 3), different gas levels, and of course the fudge factor of the 0-60 testing on the CS.

But I figure since the wrong inputs were the same for all 3, there is still some accurate delta information from them. Hopefully yours are the correct TS, GR, and fuel amounts when you do yours.

 

Yes - the "delta" would be the same, and people should really be interested in "relative" changes, not absolute values.

We could also guess the "fudge factor" effect might be close in all three tests.

- Jack

 

My 0-60 was 8.5 on Level-2 (Edge's Level 2 because I lost my PHP tunes when I updated with Fusion). Tires burned for ~1 second - didn't burn at all stock. It did ping on 87 octane though.

 

Same stretch of road, full tank of 93 octane, Level-3 "extreme," 0-60 also 8.5 seconds. The tires burned a little more (truck slid to the side a little since it a limited slip), but the same 0-60 time.

 

I finally tried out the 0-60 program on my truck and ran 9.5 seconds with 35" Toyo MT's and 3:73 gearing on the 87 Tow tune. I didn't Powerbrake the truck and just started from a dead stop as I had limited area to work with. I also had 3/4 tank of fuel in the truck and the WOT Fuel set at 130. I was running 89 octane fuel as it is the cheapest here in IA although it contains 10% ethanol. I have had no pinging in my truck and took a ~1000 mile trip right after tuning it.

Still waiting on my 89 performance tune to be written.

 

Does anyone else find it disappointing that there is next to zero empirIcal or dyno evidence that these programmers improve HP very much if at all? It seems to me that the vast majority of posts regarding these devices is strictly anecdotal. Even the manufacturers seem reluctant or unable to post real before and after dyno sheets on multiple vehicles.