I don't know the specific ins and out of these product manufacturers releasing products to people like Mike, Justin, or Bill, but it sure seems like the Gryphon is taking an abnormally long amount of time to arrive for the 2009's and 2010's. I called Troyer today to confirm they are writing tunes for the XCal3 for the 2009+ models, and also did the same with VMP. Both are up and running. I assume it has to d with them using the "out for a while" Xcallibrator3. It seems the Edge (Gryphon) is the hold-up for the 2009+ models, right?

I've had Troyer tunes several times on different trucks, and also had VMP. So, specifically, what do I stand to gain with the Gryphon? I know alot of you will say "They are the best", but why? What will they give me that Troyer or VMP won't? I'd like to pick up some mpg's, and I never found gains with any other programmer or custom tunes. My past 2007 F-150 absolutely moved when tuned by Troyer, but my last 2008 Screw wasn't at all impressive - with either Troyer or VMP. Towing was the only place I really noticed the tunes.

I plan three tunes: one performance, one economy, and one towing. I've done such an array of tunes in the past between type and octane, I think I may just stay with the 87 octanes and get the three tunes above. The higher octane tunes were very noticable over the 87's, but this huge 36 gallon tank makes it harder to "drain" between tune switches. I hope the performance tune (whosever I get) will generate some good economy so i'll never have to switch from and econ program to performance. The tow tune, well, thats self-explanatory... for the travel trailer and 4-place quad trailer.

So, lets hear it. Why go Gryphon?

 

I think, by now, the only differentiator is the device itself. You could throw a blanket over these three top tuner's results. All exemplary judging by the feedback. And - even that is moot if you factor in the LiveWire.

The only other thing is datalogging capability - SCT's hardware & utilities stands alone, pretty much. At the moment. If you are never going to consider tweaking the tuning remotely for mods, then even this could be considered moot.

I have not done a specific $$$ comparison, but I kinda don't think you'd really be bothered by the expenditure ...

 

The main difference between the Gryphon and the rest is the display that sits on the dash. They are are more or less the same programming and performance wise.

 

To the OP
Why the gryphon?
Sounds like from your post you want to give yet another tuner a shot to impress you.
Almost all trucks respond to tunes the same however there are the occasional few that don't.
If you liked the tunes on your 2007 then that would be best to stick with that tuner. You know them and they know you.
Don't let one negative experience keep you away from using them again.

 

Well, I think it's two-fold. I hear people saying they have reveived some mileage gains with the Gryphon, which is something I can't say I ever really have experienced. Even with Justin's economy tune I could never get "economy". Of course, my 2008 Screw's Adaptive Torque Strategy really made things difficult. I had Justin re-writing tunes I don't recall how may times. The truck just was a bear. My 2007 got good mpg's out of the box, so the tunes never really hindered that.

The second fold is the dash display, but then again, I run a ScanGaugeII, which basically gives me the same information, and I don't get questions when I go into the dealer on a whim.

I have never datalogged, nor hit the dyno. I don't have time, and the truck is always on the road, so-to-speak. If it was a truck that only saw a mere 15,000 to 20,000 miles a year, I'd consider tweaking every last ounce of power from it, but a year from now, I'll be moving the tuner to the next F-150... unless this thing runs so good I can't part with it - then I'll give her a round of another 50,000 mile another year.

 

Sounds like you answered your own question.
Save yourself the cash and stick with what's familier to you.
If you have cash to burn then get a gryphon but you're going to have to wait. Nothings released for the 2009's yet.
As far as mpg increases all 3 tuners have had good and bad ones.