Hello guys and gals, I have a 2005 Ford F-250 6.0L Diesel 4X4 and would like to install a tuner on it for better mileage and towing performance. What tuner would be nice to do this? I spoke with a guy that had the same truck like mine and had an Edge and loved it, any ideas??? Thanks in advance

 

Bill from PHP actually did the calibrations for your buddy's 6.0L Evolution and is still subcontracted to maintain the Ford calibrations for Edge. We also sell the Gryphon for the 6.0L. The main difference between the 6.0L Evo and the Gryphon is the same as for the F-150 -- the Gryphon can be custom tuned; the Evo can't. Feel free to give us a shout if you have any questions.

 

Give troyer Performance a call. Mike has done some amazing work of more
6.0's than any others I know.

 

my buddy with a 6.0 has the 6 gun kit from banks.... and it is amazing! he loves it as well. but you cant go wrong with customs from php or troyer....

 

^^^ truth spoken there folks, my uncle has a banks 6 gun in his 6.0 but I think custom tunes would be better

 

since you have a 6.0 you really need to visit this site http://powerstrokenation.com/forums/index.php

before you install the tunes from a programmer with canned tunes you really need to think about how long you want your engine and tranny to live.
i say none of the above programmers mentioned to be used on a 6.0. there are some horible pics of what banks, edge, and some of the other programmers have done to the inside of the engines on a 6.0 and not to mention your tranny. most of those guys on that site use there trucks for sled pulling and racing and there are several on there making over 1000hp with these 6.0 engines. but anyways they know there stuff on 6.0's so check them out.

they will recommend sct with custom tunes from eric at inovative diesel performance

 

jrfonte, your post is something I refer to as "forum fact" -- it must be true; I read it on a forum! I can't speak for any other companies, but I CAN speak for Edge. Yes, there have been some problems with the Juice causing some tranny issues, as the Juice modifies the engine without modifying the transmission.

However, if there was ANY issue with the calibrations in the Evo II causing massive destruction -- be it the 6.0L or 7.3L, BILL would have been the first person to hear about it since HE'S the one who writes the calibrations. Common sense might dictate that if there was a problem with the stock calibrations, they would have jumped all over him to rewrite them ASAP.

I've posted similar things on other forums. I believe that what's happened is that many people are confusing the Juice and the Evo II, and throughout the past couple of years, facts have gotten jumbled to become the forum fact: All Edge programmers will damage your truck, which is a load of .

Heck, we stopped selling the 1997-2003 Gryphon because of a cable issue that made using the programmer inconvenient at times. Do you really think we'd carry and promote a product if is was damaging engines and trannies?

 

That's a fairly sweeping statement. Since I don't have time for a "search" through that forum for what you are describing, could you be a bit more specific? And could you provide a bit of actual proof that it was the tune that destroyed the engine and not the driver?

I happen to know Bill Cohron's philosophy in tuning engines and it is not, "Let's see how we can make this thing self-destruct". I doubt that Mike Troyer or Banks is into destroying engines either.

I cannot say the same for some idiots that think a pickup truck is an 18-wheel semi tractor.

- Jack

 

 

ok so who can tell me whats wrong with these pics of a piston in a 6.0 engine?\

 

I haven't any idea whose truck this is; nor do I know what programmer and/or other mods they had on the truck. What I AM saying is that the Evo II for the 6.0L is not causing this kind of problem. Don't get me wrong now... I'm not saying that there haven't been any trucks running a 6.0L Evo with issues. I AM saying that it's not the programmer.

We could go around and around, but quite frankly, I believe I've made my point. You will continue to believe your forum facts, and I doubt I'll sway you. I just wish people would be more cognizant of what is fact and what is FORUM fact.

 

I'm sorry, as usual, I'm confused. There's two pictures, and you ask, "what is wrong with these pics of a piston in a 6.0 engine?"

Uh, let's see, they look different! Is that the answer? Oh, wait, I got it! The top picture has circular openings on either side of the main subject but the bottom one doesn't! Gosh! in spite of the fact that the "etching" appears to be the same in the two pictures, the surrounding metal doesn't! Well Golly Damn! Maybe some parts were moved from one engine to another?

OK, jrfonte - I'm winding you up and I shouldn't do that, I know!

But, I have to ask - where's the proof that any damage was caused by a tune?

- Jack

 

ok this is a 6.0 that was running banks programmer (at the time) and you can see the truck in the pic in my sig. and no you wont ever sway me to use another edge product on anything i own been there, used it and threw it away. and i guess since ive used the product im just going with what others say as forum facts as you call it.
and if your just curious i have used
banks (blown head gaskets)
bully dog (programmer kept freezing up)
edge ( destroyed the tranny)
sct (current) and it out performs all of the others
the link was mainly provided so he (the op) could reference it in the future if he had any problems with his 6.0 because this is a forum mainly for gassers in the f150 trucks not 6.0's( hence the name f150online) . there is a lot of information on that site for upgrades that have been tried by many some good some bad some in between. just to make it clear though i actually know several of the people on that forum from going to the tracks with them and watching them build and run there engines and they have helped me out alot when the banks fried my top end and the edge fried my tranny.
but anyways im done. im not going to argue with a rep for the product they are selling.

 

ok you see the star pattern on the top of the piston. well its not supposed to be there if you had a problem with your engine and took it to a dealer and they pulled the heads off they would know you had a programmer on it because of the spray pattern (its supposed to be inside the bowl in the center of the piston) not on top of the piston outside of the bowl and your warranty would be void. this was the spray pattern for a banks programmer on a 6.0 engine. the programmer was making the injectors spray wrong if left like this it will eventually cause the piston crown to heat up destroying the rings melting a hole in the top of the piston and destroying the engine. the injectors are supposed to spray the fuel inside the bowl in the top of the piston not outside of it. and this truck had a blown head gasket is why it was tore down.

 

For what it's worth, we don't sell the Edge Evo II for the 6.0L. We use their hardware and sell a custom tuned programmer. It just makes me nuts when people attribute something to Edge for something that isn't their fault. I'd feel the same way about any other company, and I'd voice my opinion about them, too.