I am wanting to buy a programmer and want the best programmer out there.im just not sure which one.

 

don't let the most power be the most important thing in deciding a tuner-make sure that topic is changed to:SAFEST, most powerfullest tuner-imho-i highly recommend tuning by mike troyer

 

Same here, Troyer X3

 

I ordred a troyer for my 04 heritage,i had a edge in my 06 but the screen would go blank alot.Troyer seems the way to go even tho i havent used it yet.BUT THEY ALWAYS SEEM TO PICK UP THE PHONE AND AWNSER QUESTIONS.Should have it in like 2 weeks

 

on a sidenote-john are you a fellow hvac contractor?

 

Troyer, VMP, and PHP are all quality tuning. None are the "best"... All are badass and just depends on what you really want. PHP is a different style tuner then the rest, while VMP and Troyer are both SCT.

 

Agreed. All 3 are very good. I prefer the Gryphon because of the gauges it provides. If the gauges are not important, then I would probably go with Troyer.

 

I did not want something sitting on my dash when I am out fishing for 10 hours. As a guide, I goto many marinas in different areas and did not want a visible programmer. Very happy with the X3 and will see if there is a difference when I get the custom tunes. But they have been great at helping at both Troyer and at Sct.

 

ok so i have an xcal2 and love it. i'll add a question to this thread and ask what is the average power gain from a custom tuner. i was planning on going with vmp but overall what are the differences with gains. is it a 5-10 hp gain or is it a 10-15 hp gain? what do ya'll see maybe in the seat of the pants gain? (93 tune)

 

It is my understanding that dynos have shown that 93 tunes add 25 to 30 hp. And yes it makes a huge difference. But, it' more than just the hp. Any tune gives you much improved shifting and the better tunes will give you great downshifting.

 

^^^^ Good Point. My Troyer tunes, some years ago now, were worth the cost of tuning just for his transmission tuning. The power was much better as well.

 

It is all a matter of preference on which tuning device you go with. I (like SML175) did not want something on my dash that advertises that I have something in the truck of value so I went with SCT. As for tuners any of the three main tuners that frequent this site (VMP-PHP-Troyer) seem to have good reviews by the forum population and I can speak for the tunes I have from VMP and tell you that I am very satisfied. It would be best if you contact all three and see which company fits your needs best.

 

I want to chime in for the Superchips Cortex.. I believe it may not be the moste agressive tuner out there and I know its not the moste popular.
But.... The reason I use it is I know that I cant set any parameters outside of what is safe.. and it come with a two year powertrain waranty.. that was important to me because I've only had my truck 5 month and don't want to exceed the limits.. But running aon the 93 octain performance tune is night and day.. My last 1/4mile time as clocked by the cortex was 16.36 seconds... I'm happy with that.. I havent had it long enuff to get a decent mpg rating yet but I will let you know

 

The differences are basically that the Gryphon has the display but is a lot more expensive, and VMP and Troyer are about the same except that VMP takes a couple weeks to get your tunes, and with Troyer it can take up to 3 months.

 

i should have been more specific also, is that on top of the already gain of the tuner? some tuners claim 22rwhp from the box. tuners can give improved trans shifting and power from the box. is the custom tune for power and shifting that much better with the custom tune?