Edge canned vs. PHP customs

Old May 9, 2008 | 02:02 PM
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OKAY. I'm sorry for being sorry!
I will pencil in some phone time to call Bill and verify everything so that I'm not misinterpreted or so i don't misunderstand things. I just didn't want to bother Bill, or yourself corey when i don't even have the money to purchase tunes.

Bluejay & J&J,
Firm is fine, but when I'm in traffic and shift inbetween 1 to 2 a heavy clunk should not be expected, right? It happens no matter what LVL i'm on. but goes away when i return my truck to stock.
do either of you have intakes? what mods do you have in conjunction to your PHP tunes? '

okay heres the status of my truck as of now! Hopefully this will give a better understanding of whats going on as a whole?
'04 5.4L SCrew FX4, 3.73. 3" front spacer, 33's
I have a simple exhaust, SI/SO 3" piping, FM super 44 muffler and dumped aft axle,
Due to the edge I've since upgraded to a gatorback serpentine.
I purchased a volant intake about a year ago and have used it a total 15 hours due to conflicts with edge.
As of right now my edge is out of my truck and the intake is in, my Edge Evo is on its way back to Edge for some updating. EEEF2400 and vista issues.
No, a clunk is not normal. Makes me wonder if there is some slack in the driveline, that the soft shift is masking. Did you ever try doing minus pressure settings with the Edge?

I would be terrified to run a Volant on a stock tune, especially with an 04 or early 05. They were known to come from the factory running lean or in a near lean condition. Ford even came out with a different temp spark plug. Lots of guys have had problems and Troyer had some dynos showing the problem. My advise, if you do not get custom tunes, is to not run the CAI.

I have the 2005 5.4, 4X2, stock intake with a drop in K&N, Flowmaster 40 SIDO, 3.55 gears.
 
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Old May 9, 2008 | 02:06 PM
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Graham -

Sounds like you might want to try adjusting your 1-2 shift firmness.

In the menu, select Power Programming and choose the level you want to run at. Next choose "Yes" to create a custom program.

The first thing I'd do here is to find and select the "Load Previous Settings" option, so that everything you had set up before at that Level is recovered. Then, find Shift Firmness. When I was using an Edge with "canned tunes", the firmess values all defaulted to 0. If you change them to positive values, you're going to get more of a "boot" as it shifts. You can set lower values though, even negative ones until you get what you want. I'd probably make small changes, say in about -2 increments and see what it feels like.

Save your changes, let the programmer reprogram your PCM and try it out.

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Old May 9, 2008 | 02:25 PM
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Bluejay,
the volant is known to be problematic on '04-'05?
I thought so!!!
I knew thats why i had to replace a throttle body already.
So do i need Bill to fix(remedy) this with his tunes? or do i throw away the virtually brand new intake that i spent way to much for???? This is getting hard for me to swallow!

J&J,
I am fairly confident with adjusting several parameters while still having a grasp on what it will do to my truck. I've been tinkering with it since may '06. I've adjusted WOT shifting, shift firmness, shift pionts. I'm just to the point where i want everything to work correctly together and efficiently.

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I've condensed this so that I don't sound too frustrated..
 

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Old May 9, 2008 | 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by phatboyspam
OKAY. I'm sorry for being sorry!
I will pencil in some phone time to call Bill and verify everything so that I'm not misinterpreted or so i don't misunderstand things. I just didn't want to bother Bill, or yourself corey when i don't even have the money to purchase tunes.
Graham,

You're welcome to call and pick Bill's brain even if you don't have the money to purchase a thing. That came from the man, himself. That's just his nature. If you have a question, he'll gladly give you whatever knowledge he has about it. Call away!
 
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Old May 9, 2008 | 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by phatboyspam
Bluejay,
the volant is known to be problematic on '04-'05?
I thought so!!!
I knew thats why i had to replace a throttle body already.
So do i need Bill to fix(remedy) this with his tunes? or do i throw away the virtually brand new intake that i spent way to much for???? This is getting hard for me to swallow!

J&J,
I am fairly confident with adjusting several parameters while still having a grasp on what it will do to my truck. I've been tinkering with it since may '06. I've adjusted WOT shifting, shift firmness, shift pionts. I'm just to the point where i want everything to work correctly together and efficiently.

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I've condensed this so that I don't sound too frustrated..

I think Bill can make the Volant function properly with his tune, not run lean, however, based on your previous statement, it may make more noise than you want. When a CAI is working it is flowing more air, which may be more noise than you want. Call Bill.
 
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Old May 9, 2008 | 11:31 PM
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Graham, just thought of something. How much of a gap do you have from your WOT shift points and your Max RPM setting. You are supposed to have 400 difference. FFor instance, if your WOT shift point is set at 5200, you would want the max RPM setting to be at least 5600. Some of the guys have not allowed for the rev factor during a shift and have had a clunk.
 
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Old Jul 12, 2008 | 10:29 PM
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Graham,

You're welcome to call and pick Bill's brain even if you don't have the money to purchase a thing. That came from the man, himself. That's just his nature. If you have a question, he'll gladly give you whatever knowledge he has about it. Call away!

Corey,

I'm relatively new here.. But I've seen on a couple of posts that your company can tune the edge? I have an edge and would like it tuned to see if I get some better MPG out of it.. I'm currently getting low 13's.. I really don't push the truck at all..

Can you help?
 
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Old Jul 13, 2008 | 08:25 AM
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after 6 weeks here out of the beautiful lands of the USA, and having many more weeks and weeks here, i really do miss my f150. i wish i could go home and really test out that nice 5.4 motor with bill's 87 performance tune. oh yeah, not to forget have my beautiful wife and 4 yr old son with me. geez, i love so many things in life, i wish i had them right now but i don't.

what makes it really hard around here is, that there are 04 F150 5.4 supercrew's around here that really big important people drive. just seeing one of those makes me wanna ask them if i could take it for a spin.

long time since i last posted, i just got granted internet previledges!
 
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Old Jul 13, 2008 | 07:09 PM
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Corey,

I'm relatively new here.. But I've seen on a couple of posts that your company can tune the edge? I have an edge and would like it tuned to see if I get some better MPG out of it.. I'm currently getting low 13's.. I really don't push the truck at all..

Can you help?
Hi there,

We can't tune the Evolution due to Edge's CARB certification, but we do offer an upgrade program so that your programmer CAN be custom tuned. Information can be found on our website if you click on the UPGRADE link on our PRODUCTS page.

Please let me know if you have any other questions!
 
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Old Jul 13, 2008 | 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by FiLiPiNo AkO
after 6 weeks here out of the beautiful lands of the USA, and having many more weeks and weeks here, i really do miss my f150. i wish i could go home and really test out that nice 5.4 motor with bill's 87 performance tune. oh yeah, not to forget have my beautiful wife and 4 yr old son with me. geez, i love so many things in life, i wish i had them right now but i don't.

what makes it really hard around here is, that there are 04 F150 5.4 supercrew's around here that really big important people drive. just seeing one of those makes me wanna ask them if i could take it for a spin.

long time since i last posted, i just got granted internet previledges!
Glad to see your post, Oliver! You've been in our prayers! God bless our soldiers!
 
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Old Jul 13, 2008 | 07:32 PM
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phatboyspam,

I had an 05' SCREW 4x4, 3.73, SI/DO 40 series Flowmaster, Volant CAI and the Edge. All I did, on the advise from Edge, was to adjust the WOT a little.
The truck ran fine and I was on Level 2. I never had it "Dyno-ed" or anything but I had know issues or any thrown codes.
When I upgraded to my new truck (see sig) and after reading post about the Volant running truck lean, I was sceptical about keeping it. I talked to Bill about the CAI and he told me that not all trucks had issues with the Volant. Every truck that comes off the line has the possibilty of reacting differently to Mods. I chose to upgrade my Edge to the Gryphon (which is essentially the same programmer but is capable of being custom tuned) because of the Mods I currently have and possible future ones as well. I also based my decision on the feed back everyone was giving on the Gryphon Custom Tunes, all the threads I've read from Bill and/or Corey, his knowledge and advise he's given over the years and the UNBELIEVABLE customer service from Bill and Corey.
I'm very much a "newb" to all this mod stuff but I can tell you from my own experience that with my setup now (again see sig), I am extememly satisfied with the Gryphon Custom Tunes and how my truck runs now!!!
The Volant does have a little "drone" to it but nothing too bad and its only when I "get on it" which is to be expected due to the increased air.
Not sure if this helped, just I thought I'd share my experience since I have the Volant and had it on 2 different trucks.

Good Luck

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Old Jul 13, 2008 | 11:29 PM
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YAH!
I've had the grypgon upgrade for almost 2 months now?
Bill is still adjusting my tunes, I of course will have different conditions than others seeing how I'm at sea level.
Where as edge had told me themselves that the intake will only make things worse because of where i live, but if it were someone living lets say in the mountains they might be less prone to the drone(sorry for the rhyme) due to elevation. well thats how it was explained to me and I'm just an average Joe so it seemed like a pheasable explanation??
The custom tune i have from bill currently is okay but we both agreed that it needs some adjustments.
I've been dealing with Bill first hand for a good month now and have nothing negative to say about him.

**EDIT/ADD** And to date I recomend PHP to anyone who asks but i won't force feed them to everyone, that way my leed times aren't to long for my tunes..
thanks
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Old Jul 14, 2008 | 01:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Groovy Chick

On an average custom calibration, Bill tweaks about 100 parameters, functions, and maps. Wanna give it a try? I've seen him do it a zillion times, and you couldn't pay me enough to touch one of those maps.

That sounds like a challenge for Anthony Sinatra.

I hope that he gets an Edge and steps up.
 
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