Pretty much what you said.

I hate the long wait, and did not care about getting total performance from my truck. It's a truck. I estimate the Edge added about 25 HP and much improved shifting. What is a custom tune going to do? Maybe 35 HP? What would I do with the other 10 HP? I drive it to work, all over town, and trips.

I wanted the gauges.

I received my Edge on the second day, have about 17,000 trouble free, fun miles on it, and I am totally happy with it.

If I had a performance vehicle and wanted max performance, than the custom would have been my choice.

Maybe it is somewhat similar to 4 wheel drive as opposed to 2 wheel drive. Some really need 4 wheel, some don't need it but buy it because they want it, some recognize that 2 wheel is all they need and have no use for a 4 wheel. The Edge and the custom tunes are 2 different products, fit 2 different needs.

 

Torque .. and area under the curve ...

Cheers
Bubba

 

My Edge woke my truck up on all throttle position also.

 

Well if you have a CAI (especially on an '04 model like me), the Edge will not fix a lean condition.

I have had the Edge for a couple of years now, and it works great and serves it's purpose - but I recently ordered a custom tune because of my lean air/fuel ratio.

 

Maybe I wasn't clear on the word CUSTOM. Look at my sig, see that car, I just got done spending a week at the dyno tuning that car, we had to write the map for that from the ground up, don't tell me the definition of CUSTOM. Yes TP tunes are individually written for a couple hundred vehicles, but that is only a CUSTOM tune for the vehicle it was originally written on, every vehicle with that exact computer code from Ford now has a good baseline perf. code, but to make it run with higher HP and a flatter curve it needs its own dyno time.

So Norm, you and I agree and are the same page as far the dyno tuning furthering the TP tune, but my definition of CUSTOM must be slightly different from yours. To me CUSTOM always meant no one had the exact same thing you did and it couldn't be bought anywhere. Yes, the Edge doesn't have the same level of attention to detail the Troyer has, but since you are close to Troyer you got your panties in a bunch when I said something that didn't reaffirm that Troyer was god. You don't need to go around bashing me and my decisions because they are different from yours.

Openclasspro#11, I guess I wasn't specific enough in my original statement, I'm sorry that I have to repost and expand and clarify everything for people like you.

Even though people like you discourage me from Troyer, I still look forward to doing business with him one day, and would enjoy a good technical conversation with him. I will not post in this thread again, so don't retaliate expecting a response.

 

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Very well put

 

I’ve been sporting Mike’s custom tunes on my 04 since 12-03-04 via the Xcal1 and have since moved on to the Xcal2. I haven’t had a lick of trouble, ever, ultra-reliable! TP’s tunes are da’bomb IMO believe it

 

Can't wait to find out, expected tune delivery date to my email is this Tuesday.

 

Please show me where I bashed you and your choice?
You conveniently quoted only the top half of my post and left out the part about how the Edge is a valid choice for some people.

 

Two dyno days and one afternoon of custom dyno time with Mike should qualify for custom tuning... Last time even 3rd and o/d throttle response mod's were done ( and no, I do not care about gas mileage ) as well as full power immediately after the shifts. A/F were right on and flat at 12+. ( no more switching intakes now ! ) Throttle response adjustments for the upper gear ranges as well has made the pedal feel way more responsive. I'll be patient and go the custom tuning route any day. Now whomever else has an 06 5.4 with a DCC0 code and the AF1 w/ 3.5" tube should have a rockin tune ( once you get your A/F's checked ) if mine was used as a base... Your welcome!

 

Guys, don't let these couple of Edge-promoters get you in an uproar - they apparently have an agenda. Where we have a problem is when they do things like attempt to claim that what we are doing is not custom tuning in their attempts to blindly promote Edge over all.

We have stacks & stacks of datalogs from our customers to prove what & how we do.

And some people forget that we carry the Edge products as well as most of the other off the shelf devices like Superchips Micro Tuners, Flashpaq's, etc., for those who want them, we're happy to supply them. We always have, and always will.

In our custom tuning the reality is the first thing that every one of our customers gets from us are not only thorough custom program worksheets, but also complete datalogging instructions written for the first-timer, and we include all tuning adjustments, if needed, as part of our custom tuning package at no additional charge. Nobody in their right mind would ever attempt to claim that is not custom tuning, in addition to all the other facts, such as that each and every vehicle is tuned separately, from *scratch*, with a full 7-digit strategy replacement of the entire PCM image file for however the vehicle owner wants & needs. It is NOT true that, as one claim was made that all trucks of the same computer code all get the same tuning - that is utterly false, yet that is one of many other claims they make in their attempts to discredit us - but they only end up making themselves look desperate and display lack of knowledge of what and how we actually do.

Additionally, his (Silverfish's) claim that all we have done is tune for a couple hundred different codes and that all we do is give everyone the same tunes we do for the same code each time is once again, completely false. The actual truth is, each and every model year alone in the F-150 there are hundreds of different strategies - and every single vehicle we tune, unlike the off-the-shelf products, gets a full 7-digit strategy match and a complete imagine file replacement, which helps to avoid many of the issues that some off the shelf products have inherently in these vehicles, and we provide a very thorough in-depth custom tune that includes any adjustments or tweaks that may be required, just like if they were on the dyno here - which is why we have so many datalogs from our customers, stacks and stacks of them that take far more time in many cases to go thru than doing the original tune, to properly and thoroughly analyze that data -

We have done numerous examples, in many cases hundreds, of each and every different F-150 strategy released to the public over the past 15 years that we have specialized in these trucks. We have custom tuned thousands upon thousands of them, far more than anyone else by many orders of magnitude. Just in the 5.4 3V's alone, we have done over 5000 custom tunes.

And to answer the original question that started this thread, there is no inherent reason not to go with our custom tuning given the Edge's pricing versus the pricing we offer F-150 Online members, and our custom tuning is what gets you the best results. So unless someone wants an off the shelf tune right away, the smart thing to do is to go with our custom tuning since now you can get our custom tuning for LESS than what the Edge unit costs for these newer F-150's.

One other point - just because we dyno-tuned a truck with a particular code and a particular intake does NOT mean that everyone else with that code gets that same tuning - not by a LONG shot. We require MANY examples of the same truck with the same intake before we will release a transfer function for a particular intake - K&N, in their R&D of each new intake kit for example, tests on 3 vehicles - we generally do it on anywhere from 20 to as many as 100 different vehicles prior to release. Each truck gets tuned based on what the vehicle owner wants, so they have a set of tunes that does what THEY need for their individual vehicle - they are not stuck with any compromised set of tunes that are the same for everyone with a given computer code & intake kit.

I also think that, like in most of these cases here over the years, if Silverfish & I were to be able to actually have a good conversation and speak at length about some of these issues, we'd probably find we have more in common than we think right now, have a better understanding, and I think both of us would probably enjoy such communication.

At any rate, our customers know what we do, and how hard we work to make them happy - which is all anyone can do. We are lucky to have so many people support us, but that is also what happens when you work your guts out for many, many years, and do the kind of R&D that we do. We're not perfect, but we are pretty darned good at what we do, and people recognize & trust that.

I hope that helps lend a bit of perspective without adding to endless arguments, etc.

We wish *everyone* the best,