Hey I am happy for you!!
Everett is not that nice to us 4.2 guys.I hope you enjoy your intake:santa:

 

Hi 04 F-150,

Excellent, glad you are enjoying your tunes & the Air Force One, that is a rocking combination!!

And contrary to what some claim, it is a complete myth that the AF1 causes the engine to breathe in "hot underhood air and thus reduce power" - that is only claimed by those who have never done any actual properly controlled testing.

In truth, we have done a number of tests on this numerous times over years, on the last 3 body styles of the F-150 - and we have found that the AF1 was typically providing 6-8 degree COLDER air temps than the plastic types of intakes, ranging from the stock intake to numerous other aftermarket units, regardless of where they took their air in from. We idled these trucks for an hour solid with the hood down as part of our idling heat-soak test, the most punishing in this regard, idling in gear so the fan turned as slow as possible, and had everything else in the vehicle on - the A/C, stereo, lights, everything - and this done in 95 degree+ heat in summertime, mind you - and we got consistently lower IAT's with the AF1 over any other intake we tested.

It's a mistake to think that a "metal" intake automatically makes the air hotter, though I do admit that MOST types of metal intakes DO cause this! However, the AF1 is NOT among them. Now I DO agree that if you use aluminum as an air handling tube you will get that problem, as aluminum takes on heat quicker & rejects it slower - but the aircraft grade T304 mirror-polished S/S of the AF1 does NOT give that kind of effect. We tested all types of materials, ranging from the "home depot" types of intake kits to aluminum based units to various S/S units to you name it - what we found gave the best result in terms of the IAT's in our hour-long idle heat soak tests was aircraft-grade T304 S/S that was polished outside, left rough inside.

The last point on this is simply the fact that below speeds of about 35 mph in half-ton to one-ton trucks in general, no matter what type of intake setup you have, factory and aftermarket of ANY kind, you will start to see the IAT's get above the ambient air temperature in the driver's fender well simply due to a lack of general air circulation under hood - and that happens with ALL intakes of ANY kind, from stock to aftermarket - period, end of story. How much above depends on the individual intake, of course. Then once you are above 35 mph there is little to no difference in the engine's IAT's versus outside ambient, basically, though it is interesting to observe the pattern of dispersal of heat-soak after that type of condition, and once again, the AF1 does an excellent job.

Just a little FYI for you on that topic - sorry to get off on a "rant", so to speak!

For 04 F-150, thanks for your post & enjoy your Troyer Performance tuning & AF1 combo!

 

Come On Mr. Mike Troyer,I am trying to get help here by leaving little comments for you to see,so you will help get the production finished on on the AF1 for the 4.2 liter,new body style.You just brushed my comment under the carpet,no reply.Look I want a 3.25" setup for the 06-4.2 ltr,or whatever size inside dia. tube you say to use.My truck has 22,000 miles on it already.What do I have to do!!!
I'll tell you what,I'll order some 3.25",or whatever size inside dia., 304 SS tubing from E.M. Jorgenson.I'll fit it ,bend it polish it,and make a mount set-up for it,put in a maf set-up and whatever else I need to do to it per your recommendations. If you can supply me with the filter I need,I'll dyno,dattalog, send you the fore-mentioned and the A/F readings,If you promise to provide me with the complete set of new tunes for the intake set-up I build based on the A/F's and datalog I provide.If you agree I'll set-up shop and start the project after Christmas 2006.Oh and by all means charge me for the new set of tunes.
TSDan
Or is the 4.2 liter engine just not worth the time or effort!

 

I wondered about the hot air, but the first time i went through town and was driven around for an hour or two, i came home and popped the hood and the tube was ice cold even though the engine had just been shut off so i pretty much just didnt think about it after that. If the tube is that cold then the air going through it cant be too hot.

 

Dan....call him!!! maybe he`ll help you out

 

Hi TSDan,

I think you are forgetting something - I don't own or run Air Force One, or any other intake manufacturer, so I'm not the one to be complaining to.

But hang on, I think we may be able to work something out, though I want to mention a couple of things first............

Just like them, I have many other projects in the works that take precedence, and we do not manufacture intake kits anyway - now we *did* help AF1 in the design of the intake kits for the 5.4 3V F-150, but that was really something a bit out of the ordinary, we really got involved in that simply to keep them out of trouble with the new mass air system - and for those who remember, it took a year and a half of working on this off & on, as we had time to devote to it, to get a couple different kits we felt were viable - and as luck would have it, it has turned out very well. But only because the new body style F-150's are, by and large, built with 5.4 3V engines.

The problem, as you know, is that you have a vehicle that has virtually zero production with that engine, thus there is no demand that will interest intake manufacturers in doing the significant amount of R&D they will need to do in order to produce an intake kit that actually gains power but does not need tuning.

So any intake kit for the 4.2 V6 that will make good power will probably require, as you have already deduced, tuning changes, I suspect - and I agree with you on that.

We have absolutely nothing to do with AF1's production schedule, and in talking with them, they want to do it, and in the past actually gave us one estimated timetable that has come & gone - so I just don't see it happening from them at this time, as they have to get out other new kit designs for other new vehicles that are made in far larger numbers, and for them as a "boutique" manufacturer, has to take precedence as they have the potential to actually recoup the R&D.

HOWEVER - I think YOUR idea has some merit - I was in the same situation myself on a couple of occasions - back some years ago when I wanted an intake kit for my 1994 Ford Thunderbird Super Coupe, nobody make one and nobody would make one - so I did it myself. Same thing happened when the Lincoln Mark 8 came out, and both of those cares were made in FAR larger numbers than new body style 4.2 V6 F-150's. So I know the frustration.

So if you are actually willing to do that, meaning work on the design & manufacturing of it based on our recommendations, I don't think we'll have a problem doing tuning for it, and possibly even distributing it - I think you will quickly see that there are nowhere near enough customers to ever make it worthwhile, but you never know - and worst case, at least YOU would have a nice intake kit!

I have seen a grand total of maybe 3 2006 4.2 V6's in person, and it's been a good while at that - and there are none of any Ford dealership's lot anywhere close to me, so I do not remember the configuration of it's stock intake kit. So I will need some photos & other info and then I can make the recommendations you want, and we can perhaps work together on this, how's that sound?

Give me a call after New Years & we'll go over all the details, and see if we can come up with the basic specs for you to do the fab-up & then once we're at the point where it's ready to datalog, get the MAF TF done to make sure the A/F's are right for your truck. Then we can see from there if this is going to be viable to market, and meanwhile, you'll have an intake.

I can help point you to sources for the stainless tubing & give you the specs you'd want to use on it, etc., and the filter element sizing shouldn't be a problem - worst case we can have them custom made (that's expensive, but doable), but hopefully it can be configured where an existing filter element will do the trick, usually that works OK.

As always, necessity is the mother of invention, and I've been where you are before.

So give me a call after New Years & we'll go over all the details, OK?

Thanks!

 

This is more of a responce than expected.Mr. Troyer I thank you sir.

 

Hi TSDan,

You are more than welcome, of course, as always.

Like I said, I have been exactly where you are before - having a nice vehicle that just doesn't have as much support in the aftermarket as we'd like - like I was with my Mark 8's & that Super Coupe, and some others over the years - so I know all to well how that feels, and I look forward to working with you on this!!