FYI for those with 05's
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All that happens is that you got updated to BKP1 - you didn't get any more power at all, all that happened to improve anything was the act that in the process of updating the PCM, you wiped out KAM, and thus cleared out the adaptive strategy adjustments.
There isn't a anything better in BKP1's engine tuning than is in TEM5, other than at extremely light throttle (below about 13% TP), BKP1 commands slightly more torque - nothing else, period, end of story - I have both codes opened right now, and of course, already knew both of them extremely well having tuned literally thousands of them. Nd thanks to the changes we made in our tuning, you didn't gain anything - it just feels peppier now simply because KAM was cleared, meaning the existing adaptive strategy adjustments were cleared out - and that won't last long. You could have done the same thing by simply disconnecting your battery, only you would have had MORE power, and much better performance because you would still have had our tuning.
Additionally, you have also lost your performance tuning, and whatever you do, DO NOT ATTEMPT to reinstall it, as the Equizzer ID is different - so what will happen is you will get a no-start - and then when you attempt to return your vehicle back to stock, you will be returning it back to the OLD stock tune, TEM5, and it STILL will not start - it will have to be towed back into the dealership and reflashed once again. Now you can unlock your tuner, so that it downloads the NEW stock program, but then it will not allow you to UPLOAD your old tuning in most cases - and even if it does, you will still get a no-start, and have to return to stock.
This update didn't get you anything other than losing your performance tuning, is the actual bottom line, as we rewrite those ETC areas anyway to give better throttle response - so the reality is, the net bottom line is all that was accomplished was clearing adaptive strategy and losing your performance tuning.
But as long as you are happy, then we are happy for you.
And by the way - no, this code he is talking about CANNOT be done on ANY other vehicle other than the TEM series, which would only be a very narrow timeframe of 2005 5.54 3V builds - and should NEVER be done by anyone who has our performance tuning, as it will NOT gain you anything, regardless of anything being claimed - that is the simple reality of it. If that were true, then our performance tuning would actually be REDUCING POWER - and we all know that isn't even remotely the case.
There isn't a anything better in BKP1's engine tuning than is in TEM5, other than at extremely light throttle (below about 13% TP), BKP1 commands slightly more torque - nothing else, period, end of story - I have both codes opened right now, and of course, already knew both of them extremely well having tuned literally thousands of them. Nd thanks to the changes we made in our tuning, you didn't gain anything - it just feels peppier now simply because KAM was cleared, meaning the existing adaptive strategy adjustments were cleared out - and that won't last long. You could have done the same thing by simply disconnecting your battery, only you would have had MORE power, and much better performance because you would still have had our tuning.
Additionally, you have also lost your performance tuning, and whatever you do, DO NOT ATTEMPT to reinstall it, as the Equizzer ID is different - so what will happen is you will get a no-start - and then when you attempt to return your vehicle back to stock, you will be returning it back to the OLD stock tune, TEM5, and it STILL will not start - it will have to be towed back into the dealership and reflashed once again. Now you can unlock your tuner, so that it downloads the NEW stock program, but then it will not allow you to UPLOAD your old tuning in most cases - and even if it does, you will still get a no-start, and have to return to stock.
This update didn't get you anything other than losing your performance tuning, is the actual bottom line, as we rewrite those ETC areas anyway to give better throttle response - so the reality is, the net bottom line is all that was accomplished was clearing adaptive strategy and losing your performance tuning.
But as long as you are happy, then we are happy for you.
And by the way - no, this code he is talking about CANNOT be done on ANY other vehicle other than the TEM series, which would only be a very narrow timeframe of 2005 5.54 3V builds - and should NEVER be done by anyone who has our performance tuning, as it will NOT gain you anything, regardless of anything being claimed - that is the simple reality of it. If that were true, then our performance tuning would actually be REDUCING POWER - and we all know that isn't even remotely the case.
I took my truck to the dealer to get some maintenance work done. I returned to the stock tune first. They happened to reflash the PCM for some update while it was there. I assume I can just reload my custom tunes and this will wipe the new one out without issue? I don't want the problem you listed above. Isn't that why you advise us to return to stock before taking it to the dealer?
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Craig
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That sucks. Can it just be done via email with the new reflash number since Troyer has all my other info already? What is the point of returning to stock then?
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This is an OLD thread, isn't it? Craig, why don't you call Mike and ask him about this? It's possible that what he posted for the OP doesn't apply to you at all, since you returned your PCM to stock before taking the truck to the dealer.
In any case, we'll all be eager to know what you find out, because it's certainly MY understanding that if you return the PCM to stock, you're ok if they reflash.
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In any case, we'll all be eager to know what you find out, because it's certainly MY understanding that if you return the PCM to stock, you're ok if they reflash.
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That's simply not the case with custom tunes, you'd be okay with canned tunes though. The custom tunes are tuned for your particular PCM code. Since the dealer reflashed, your strategy has changed thus making your tunes unusable. It sucks, I know, but it is what it is.
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That's simply not the case with custom tunes, you'd be okay with canned tunes though. The custom tunes are tuned for your particular PCM code. Since the dealer reflashed, your strategy has changed thus making your tunes unusable. It sucks, I know, but it is what it is.
Why don't the tuners, Mike, Justin and Bill, warn us about this? I'd think that would be the number one caution they'd give us. Especially if you get a disabled vehicle when you try to reload your custom tune.
I'm VERY puzzled about this - there seems to be contradicting information here.
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The key is that custom tunes do not replace 100% of the PCM. The custom tunes modify the base PCM tune based on the current HEX code and it's values. Changing that base tune means the custom tunes are completely useless.
The way Bill explained it to me was it is not a 100% rewrite for the new custom tunes, but there is work involved.
Call Mike and find out exactly from him.
The way Bill explained it to me was it is not a 100% rewrite for the new custom tunes, but there is work involved.
Call Mike and find out exactly from him.
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So, you really need to make sure the dealer does not reflash under any circumstances if you have custom tunes.
Why don't the tuners, Mike, Justin and Bill, warn us about this? I'd think that would be the number one caution they'd give us. Especially if you get a disabled vehicle when you try to reload your custom tune.
I'm VERY puzzled about this - there seems to be contradicting information here.
- Jack
Why don't the tuners, Mike, Justin and Bill, warn us about this? I'd think that would be the number one caution they'd give us. Especially if you get a disabled vehicle when you try to reload your custom tune.
I'm VERY puzzled about this - there seems to be contradicting information here.
- Jack
The key is that custom tunes do not replace 100% of the PCM. The custom tunes modify the base PCM tune based on the current HEX code and it's values. Changing that base tune means the custom tunes are completely useless.
The way Bill explained it to me was it is not a 100% rewrite for the new custom tunes, but there is work involved.
Call Mike and find out exactly from him.
The way Bill explained it to me was it is not a 100% rewrite for the new custom tunes, but there is work involved.
Call Mike and find out exactly from him.
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From: Among javelinas and scorpions in Zoniestan
Okey Dokey - I CAN understand that. Sort of like writing a patch for two different software applications that essentially perform the same task. Since the source code is different, the patches have to be different too.
Anyway, it really sounds like a "do not reflash" to the dealer is the most important thing to follow now.
- Jack
Anyway, it really sounds like a "do not reflash" to the dealer is the most important thing to follow now.
- Jack
