I'm pretty sure I'll be ordering a Stage 1 kit from Troyer. Is there anything I need to do ahead of time to make things progress faster and/or smoothly?

 

Sure, don't read this section of the forum until you get your stuff...it will drive you crazy.

Of course this above post was littered with sarcasm.

RR

 

Ya, it's driving me nuts already, hehe

 

I highly suggest that you replace your O2 sensors before installing the Stage1Package...Especially the upstreams...

 

Why do you say to replace the O2’s and what ones do you sagest

 

?-every 30 k miles- use bosch-mike carpeneter had bad ones from the factory- odenton- you close to snow valley lane?-phil

 

You should replace O2 sensors every 30k miles?

 

best to- this is an emmisiion device- reason ford doesn't list it as maintence is they'd be responsible for it -upping their costs-phil

 

Hi.

Here we go again.

Soon to be flamed by the "if it ain't broke, don't touch it" crowd.

Storm - listen to these guys - they really do know their chit

If you spend some time searching in the Chips forum, you'll find some of the best & free advice on how to properly maintain your drivetrain for a long & happy liife.

... and wait 'till you see the stuff on spark plugs

Cheers
Bubba

 

A stage 1 from Troyer is maggie, AF1 and XCal2 right?

How much is it to replace O2 sensors and how would one go about finding them?

Duke

 

I too was told to replace my o2 sensors but my shop looked at me funny and said, you don't need to. (not a ford shop) they said they are designed to go 100K miles and if they aren't broke, then don't fix the=m.

My question is, how much do the cost?

JP

 

Hehe... told y'all!


Here's mine

... and here's two more for the folks on either side of me


Oh yeah... cost. Figure $50++ a pop for the front two from Auto-whatever.

You can change 'em yourself... no sweat. Just make sure you get the correct part # for your MY.

More Useful Info:

https://www.f150online.com/forums/sh...ight=o2+planar

https://www.f150online.com/forums/sh...6&postcount=11

Cheers
Bubba

 

Thanks for that, one for me and one for my home boys?

follow up question on Plugs. I did a search on plugs and got a tad overwhelmed.

Saw a bunch of stuff on special tools needed and warnings that we should all change our plugs by 30K miles on the 04 5.4 3v.

Thoughts on that topic?

Impress me this time.

 

No shop is going to ell you that you need to replace the upstream O2 senors at 30K mile intervals, as almost none of them know what they are talking about in this regard - they do not tune them, they do not datalog them like we do, and they simply do not have the knowledge of these vehicles that we do.

Automakers also do not list them on their maint. schedules, because they are considered an emissions part, and thus if the automaker said to replace them before 80K miles, THEY would have to pay for it.

Until last year, Bosh themselves listed it as a 30K mile maintenance part - they changed that under pressure from the automakers, basically.

It';s very simple - O2 sensors start deteriorating from the moment they are put into service - they are subjected to a lot of fluids on every cold startup, and are also subjected to temperatures ranging from well below freezing to 1500+ degrees - there is no such thing as a 10K mile O2 sensor, tough automakers and service shops will problem, that - they aren't doing the kind of tuning and datalogging that we do, and are not dyno-testing the vehicles.

In short - we operate at a much higher level than repair shops do in this specific regardf, and when we tune a vehicle and see the data, we can tell right away what's going on with the )2 sensors - Marc Carpenter's O2 sensors on his 2004 truck were ruined from the very first day that truck was assembled, as the robots contaminated them with anti-seize compound, which needs to be applied to the threads - but if it gets anywhere on any portion of the tip, then it ruins the O2 senors.

We could go on about this forever, it's a hotly debated topic, but among those who really know what they're doing (and that really means performance tuners who specialized in these trucks, of which there are darned few and we're the oldest), we will always recommend changing them at least every 39 K miles - same thing with your spark plugs. There is no spark plug that should be left in for 100K miles.
See, all of these things fall under what's called the "cost of ownership," and many people, especially fleet buyers base their vehicle buying decisions based in large part on the vehicle with the lowest claimed cost of ownership based usually on the typical J.D. Powers surveys.

Just like why the suspensions do not have grease fittings in all the places they should have - that too, is only done to reduce cost of ownership - not because the suspension do not require proper lubrication for tie rod ends, etc to last as long as they used to.

This is rather common knowledge amount the performance community and has been for years.

I hope this brief info helps - and remember, this is also something that we will advise each of our customers on when we do the tuning - we write an 8-12 page set of documentation for each individual vehicle owner, letting them know what they need to do.

Please feel free to call us at our number listed below to go over any of this in more detail, & good luck with your vehicle!