As always, you're too kind.

Actually, I was told # 1 and 1" by chucks_bp, with # 3 as the best alternate, as it is the 2nd hottest. The 1 1/4" Mike posted elsewhere....or the voices...

 

Cylinder #1 Huh? So, you found a post by Mike Troyer indicating #1 is hottest. Three weeks ago, I was talking with Mike about this very thing and he told me #5 was the one for the probe. Hmm. We even had a lengthy discussion (that's right all discussion's with Mike are lengthy... No slam intended.. just a poke) So, which is it ? I sure like the idea of #5 much much better than #1.

On Friday, I have an appointment with the Ford Garage. They are very interested in this project and want to poke around in the engine to see if I am missing anything. I am now in the 3000 mile range since I started with E30 and a Troyer tune. I am over 1500 miles since E65 and over 1000 miles since E85. When I went to E65, I changed the tune for more spark advance, a richer mixture, etc. The truck is running great. Very manageable under part throttle, lots and lots of power under WOT. More datalogging is coming.

 

Hi guys;

I F'd up - that post said 1", NOT cylinder #1

I subsequently found this as penance:

So tschaid, you were right. Sorry about that, ONELOWF

BTW - I found references to both 1" and 1.25" as the proper distance for the probe.

And, tschaid... that's one hell of project you've got going there - hat's off to you!

Cheers
Grog

 

I wonder what the difference in temps is between # 5 and # 1. I have had a bung welded in # 1, but the new headers are not installed yet, so I could plug one and add another......

 

A call to TP got an answer from Mike via Crystal. It is not worth changing. My work here is done ......I have a new blower to install.

 

Should be front cylinder on drivers side this is supposed to be one of the leanest running.

 

Sorry if I miss quoted you.

 

Hey guys. I ordered an Auto meter Ultra Light II EGT. I expect it to be in by EOD tomorrow. Does anybody have a good source for EGT ranges for our trucks ? Ford Sets the PCM scalars for EGT at 1650. In other words, at 1650, we dump more fuel to cool off the cats. I need some good data to work with on these motors. I saw Mike reference 1420 for best performance.

 

I just found more interesting data. The 02 sensors on the 2006 F150 Gas vs. 2006 F150 FFV have the same identical part number. This goes along with the Fuel Injectors, Fuel Pump, Fuel lines. Also, the factory tune in the 2006 F150 FFV shows some interesting changes. Nobody has yet created a performance tune for the 2006 F150 FFV; but, it has to be around the corner.

My work continues. My LM-1 shows a slight trend toward rich when running in closed loop. .97 to .98 Lambda. WOT shows a nice air/fuel at below 4000 RPM; but, has nasty trend, in each gear, toward lean as RPMs increase. No doubt, I am running out of fuel above 4000 RPMs. We have room to increase voltage to the fuel pump somewhat. Hopefully, we have enough fuel pump and fuel injectors to support WOT with E85. I'll know more tomorrow.

The EGT has been delayed until Monday so I am not going to adjust closed loop air/fuel until I have this installed and operational.

Tomorrow, before we datalog we are going to pull a plug and inspect it.

To date, performance continues to be strong. Since I am trending lean at WOT, I am losing quite a bit of power; but, the truck is still pulling real good. My datalogging continues to show I am about 5% under Troyer's 93 Tune; but, I am convinced I will make more power by the time this effort is done.

 

Yesterday, my son & I installed the Exhaust Gas Temp Gauge and attached an XD-1 gauge to the LM-1 for wideband air/fuel. I didn't get much time to play with it so will post more results as I proceed through this.

On Friday, during a 0-100 sprint, I datalogged some reasonable numbers. While my MAF #/min are not at the same level as Troyer's 93 Hi-Perf tune and my torque into the torque converter still lower by 5%, my speed is now equal at the same RPM level and the same elapsed time. This is with a tune that still needs work. My LM-1 still shows a leaning trend under WOT in each gear. I have now gone past 2500 miles while burning E85 & 5000 miles while burning at least E30 and all is well from a mechanical standpoint. My latest tune includes increasing voltage to the fuel pump, increasing the fuel pressure at the injectors, and increasing all of the scalars for the fuel injectors. This tune has just been loaded so it won't be tested until later today.

The fact that my performance is nearly par with Troyer's Hi-Perf tune (he is the benchmark by which all are measured in this space) & I still have clear improvements necessary, tells me that the statements about E85, when properly tuned, are correct. I will absolutely make more power while running E85 than I could with 93 Octane E10 (90% Gas/10% Ethanol) and I will do so without installing higher flowing fuel injectors.

When this is done, I will then proceed to purchasing and installing a Whipple or a Roush (if it is priced reasonably with the intercooler).

 

tschaid- It looks like you are making good progress. What info did you find on the trans tuning?

 

Nothing yet. There is so much to learn, I am still working on fuel economy and WOT fuel.

As for the Trans shifting, I am still waiting on a call back from Mike Troyer. Crystal says he is very busy with a bunch of tunes and just doesn't have time. That may be the case; but, I don't know. He has his opinions about what I am doing disagreeing most of the time. I have tremendous respect for him; but, think he, along with many others, have simply not done thorough research into running E85 Ethanol in these trucks. To date, I have not seen anybody, including SCT, with a hi performance tune for the 2006 F150 FFV. I am going to get this done and send Mike some datalogs for review. I hope he can find the time to check them out.

For now, I am simply using a SCT 100 Octane Race Tune - Trans Sections. It is much better than stock; but, has room for improvement. Troyer's shift points and pressures were better.

 

Any updates? This is an awsome project, and I'm very interested. I would love to run E-85 in my F-150.

 

Chester,

Is you truck a 1997 F150 ? If so, be patient, I will be working with my son's 1998 F150 in about a month followed by my future son-in-laws 2001 Expedition.

My 2004 F150 is absolutely kicking a$$ on E85. My horsepower, more torque and more speed. I am now over 6000 miles since going to E85 and 9000 since beginning this project using E30.

After 5500 miles since my last oil change, I changed oil over the weekend. The used oil was only half as dark having run E85 when compared to the oil from a previous 3000 mile oil change while burning gasoline only. Of course, other factors play into this; but, my used oil has never been this clean.

 

This whole project is impressive. I would like to run E85 in my truck, but it isn't widely available in North Carolina yet. I am also interested in the Pro Racer Software. I would love to learn how to tune my own truck and be able to do proper datalogging. Please keep us up to date.