These are all good write ups and doesnt seem to be getting out of control. I went with the Edge but Fedex hasnt delivered it yet. It was a very hard decision and Im pissed that I even need a programer. I have no passing gear and off the line my truck is a slug. Every time I went to the dealer and complained they couldnt do anything. Finally the head service guy pulled me a side and told me to get a tuner, so I did. I have a 05 xlt screw 5.4 and I bought it so I could put my 2 kids in it. Now that being said top speed is not my priority and from what Ive read the Edge does pretty good in the low end and thats what I want, plus the gauges are a good feature. Im only going to use the #2 setting and the only way I will tough the shifts are because they are to high. The Edge was also cheaper, not by much but for me every penny counts. NY is very expensive to live in, with taxes and mortgages and insurence plus I want/need rims. Truck looks like crap with clad chrome rims. I think if I had an info center in my truck I would have gone with the Troyer. I think when the Edge gets all its kinks out it will be a good tuner, so thats what I put my money on. Basicly enjoy what you got.

 

My truck runs great! LOTS of top end power, can pass cars going 75-80 without a problem....I can get to 90+ VERY easily.

I opted and ordered the XCal II because of the service, time tested, and price!

I also have a Scanguage because the STX doesn't have an tach. The Scanguage also shows MPG, miles until empty, intake air temp, antifreeze temp, manifold air pressure, battery voltage, all kinds of distance/MPG values, etc.

You can even adjust the MPH, so the Scanguage will read the right MPH.

Granted, the thing isn't pretty, but I painted to match, and have it installed in the general area the Edge is installed. The thing also reads/clears DTC's so money is saved there! I don't know how many other people's cars I read/cleared their trouble codes.

I know I missed other features of it, and for only $130.00 and the XCal II I get the best of both worlds.

You fence sitters should check it out. www.scanguage.com

 

WOW - here we go again!! I'm a very happy Edge owner and held out for the Edge unit because I simply wanted my truck to run like it should have come from Ford (again - shame on you Ford for "detuning" this 5.4L so badly). I have no interest in constantly tweaking the tune (a la Troyer) and didn't have confidence in the Troyer SCT combo as it was causing CEL's when combined with the AF1 CAI that I'm running. Nothing I detest more than having to clear CEL's every other week (have plenty of exprience with that from my '05 GT).

In all fairness, I would imagine that Troyer has worked out the CEL issue with the AF1 by now -can someone confirm - but the edge simply represents the best "plug-n-play" solution for ME. It's also VERY easy to change tunes, deinstall, etc. I haven't even bothered to upload any of Edge's updates as it runs just fine the way it came. If, on the other hand, I was looking to run my engine to extract as much HP as possible and was going to add serious mods -I'd probably just add the mods and have it custom dyno-tuned by a local, reputable shop.

 

There is no CEL issue with the AF1 and Xcal2 combo. The AF1 only causes CEL issues on a few stock tuned trucks.

 

You got it backwards, Troyer XCal2 was the FIX, not the cause of CEL with AF1.....most of the 2004 and some 2005 had a CEL tripping with the AF1 because of the very tight spec on A/F setting in the Stock PCM

 

What do you mean? Nobody *was* bashing anybody here.

ummmmm, he tunes it once, and you have it. From what I have read, it's the EDGE that's having CONSTANT FIXES just to make it work right. Does anybody else see something wrong with his statement? LMFAO

Another misrepresentation....the CEL's were from people NOT INSTALLING the AF1 correctly causing CEL's. I had the Stage 1 setup from Troyer and NOT 1 CEL on an older '97 F-150. Please read the multiple threads about this problem.

ROFL....just try to download the EDGE's updates and we will see yet another whining thread about "NEW VERSION FOR EDGE...PLZ HELP" or "INSTALLED EDGE, TRUCK WON'T START" or even "WTFOMFG EDGE!!!!"

Please stay away from the purple Kool-Aid, Hale-Bop won't take you to a mothership and yes, we DID land on the moon.

I had to correct your statement.....call it bashing if you want.

 

What? Come on man... here what goes again? Read through this thread, it's very civil. Both sides of the coin that was questioned have been very informative and civil... there's no mud being slung that I've seen. Statements like this will only send a civil thread southbound in the northbound lane.

I concur. The throttle lag and a few other issues from the factory are a tad disappointing. Choosing a tuner to bring the beast back out from under the hood is a great route to go. It is slack-tuned stock to accommodate the huge variety and variation in fuels and fuel quality across the US (among other reasons). Can't totally shame them for going this route but, again, I concur, it has a lot of untapped fun under the hood. A tuner is a great choice to tap in to that fun!!

Like you, no one would 'want' a CEL. Time to clear up a little bit of muddy water here though... constant 'tweaking'? Maybe we're misunderstanding you here but, there's no constant tweaking. Data logging is, basically, a one-time thing to 'fine tune' in your already custom tunes... this would be true from ANY custom tune and not just a TP tune. I'm very unclear on how you substantiated such a statement.

Also, I'm not sure I've read of a single person having a CEL caused by a XCAL tune of any brand. Yes, there have been AF1 CELs but, those were pretty case specific and had no correlation, to my recollection, between any tuner (Edge, Xcal, Predator, 1745, etc). Further, I ran as a final product tester for the AF1 and never ever threw a CEL (stock tuned or XCal1 or XCal2 tuned). Those CELs are very case specific like I mentioned...I really don't think it's fair to lump everyone into a CEL category because everyone didn't get a CEL.

Not trying to slam you here Hot... I just want to go on record publicly that I don't think the facts are straight with that series of statements...

Precisely! This is what nearly every person in this thread has mentioned. Definitely buy what's best for you! If the Edge is that beast, put on your trunks and DIVE in! I'm very glad you're happy with what you have... the Edge does have it's pros in my mind but, the pros are met with some cons as well.

I believe all of the tuners will be generally easy to uninstall as well as change tunes. A few pushes of a few buttons on any of them and you're pulling the program down and pushing a new one up in no time. This is, yet another, convienience feature of nearly all of the tuners on the market that I know of... It's nice to be able to drive to a location with a performance tune, hook up the bass boat and load the towing tune, and head to the lake to go fishing... only giving an extra couple of minutes of time to the whole thing because that's about how long it takes to pull a tune off and push another one on... They're all pretty simple I believe.

It's true of every product on the market if you really think about it... nothing is perfect... well, I take that back... I don't think you can make Nacho Cheese Doritos any better.

Again, EXACTLY! I couldn't agree more with you! Lots of great individuals out there that are tuning. Fortunately, f150online's longest Supporting Vendor is one of those guys...

No matter the direction that you decide to go, I don't think anyone here will disagree with this...

Buy what you want and enjoy the heck out of it! Money isn't an easy object to come by so, spend it on what you have researched, know, and want to enjoy!

RP

 

Comparing these two items is an Apples and Oranges affair.

They both offer increased performance, but they go about it in totally different ways.

If you want the maximum performance, and don't want to fool with anything ever again......just load it and forget it, then the Xcal2 is for you.

If you want a great performance from a canned tune, but still would like to tinker around with different settings, and have the ability to monitor various engine/transmission functions, temperatures and voltage, etc....along with being able to run timed 0-60 and 1/4 mile et's, as well as pull trouble codes, then the Edge is probably for you. It's a much more "hands on" type tuner, designed more for the gear head that likes to be in control.

The Edge also has two bonus features.

With the ability to set RPM and MPH limits, you can make your truck "teenager friendly", by restricting how fast they drive, or how high they rev the motor....etc.

The other bonus is the ability to return your truck to stock tune, and sell the Edge to someone else. They can use the unit just the same as you did, because it's not tied to specific PCM codes.

Apples and Oranges.

 

Not exactly true either. The Xcal2 has ALL the same adjustability as the Edge, plus some. You just don't HAVE to adjust the tune yourself to get max performance, but you can if you want to.

The major differences in the two is the Edge comes with generic tunes, that you must adjust at your own risk for max performance, and a display.

The Xcal2 comes with all that work done for you, but no display. You can still monitor all the drivetrain parameters and clear DTCs, it just requires download to a PC.

 

You don't have to adjust anything, if you don't want to. There is very little risk involved, if you do. It's not like you can change the "tuned" part, anyway.


If I want to monitor oil temperatures and shut the truck off if they get too hot, it won't do me much good to wait until I get home to download to a PC to find out.

Like I said, Apples and Oranges.

 

Just installed the Edge on my 06 supercab 5.4, loaded the #2 tune with no problems. It works great!!!! I dont know what all the fuss is about. This IS a quality product with good performance right out of the box!!!