i know the answer from most of yall are going to be the xcal2..........but why and why not the edge or whatever....and could i get a edge programmed by troyer? instead of a xcal2 programmed by him?

 

There are ALOT of threads on this, some of them got shutdown cause they got out of hand. You will have to do your searching and decide from there.

That being said, I own an Edge and really like it for the excellent throttle response and guage features. Many people here have the XCal2 and it sounds like a great product as well. It will come down to personal choice.

..and no, you cannot get an Edge programmed by Troyer, he does sell them though and will price match anyone apparently. The best of both worlds may be to get both, run the Troyer tune and use the Edge for guages, just a thought.

 

Just get the Edge and be done with it.......best tuner on the market!

 

I vote Xcal2, just look around on this site and you will see all the troubles the edge has. you don't see the Xcal2 having that issue and I'm sure the people who make the edge don't have the F150 tuning expertise as the Troyer team.... just my 2 cents

 

Yes, but I would rather have the latest update than get stuck with an out of the box tuner!

 

I really have no opinion on the edge, however crownvic talking about the having the latest updates reminds me of the umptamillion threads I have seen talking about how crappy the new update was.

If at some point in the future you'd like to do more (like supercharger, turbo or nitrous) then you'll want something with more customization properties. After reading all the crap on here and finding the actual usable information, and talking to those on here with the baddest trucks, I ordered an Xcal2 from TP. When it gets here, I'll review the difference between it and Diablo

 

Huh?
the Xcal2 from MT is not an " out of the box tuner" it is *custom tuned* to your truck now the edge is an off the shelf tuner witch you try to jerry rig the shift points and other adjustable's on it but are you a tuner? do you know how to set your truck up? I know most people would not want to try to make up there own tune for there 34+ thousand truck.

 

I see this thead getting uglier by the second.

 

You dont have to jerry rig anything. It comes with 3 tunes.
Now if you prefer, you can go in and very simply increase shift points, etc and create a more custom tune to your preferences.
The guages are also awesome. If you change tire or gear size you simply change that too in the settings. Its verrrry easy. There was a glitch in the last update, because they keep adding more features(like average MPG), but it was quickly corrected. My truck runs great on it.

 

Well I guess the debate about the Xcal2 & the edge could go on for months and get very ugly! I'm not a part of this site to argue this site is better than that....I guess it comes down to personal preference

 

I concur 110%.

Between the two though, knowing all that I know about both, I wouldn't change my mind... and I must preface that statement by saying that I've never tried anything outside of the XCal2 -- but, many who report about the Edge haven't tried anything outside of that either (what I'm saying here is that there will be bias on both sides of this coin from owners who have these devices)... I cannot compare them in a fair manner head to head as I don't have one of the two you're asking about... I can, however, state observations based on what I read on the forum from other members... I obviously read a lot here on the forums as a moderator.

Observations based on reading... yes, there's a lot of buzz right now about the XCalibrator2 as well as the Edge. I know so many people running XCal tunes (done by various individuals) that never chirp a word other than to say something good about what they use to tune... on the flip side of the XCal / Edge debate, there are frequent posts about weird qwirks and odd reactions/stutters and even 'no-start' scenarios. You'll occasionally see an off-comment about the XCal2 but, it's pretty infrequent. I should add that the off-comment posts about the Edge seem to get pretty good attention from their customer service folks as well though... just seems like there are several of them though. That might be reciprocal to the numbers that they've sold recently... hard call.

While the guages and such are a very neat thing, my confidence level for the Edge cannot seem to be supported based on what I read... now, don't get me wrong, I know that every single person who has a bad experience will post whereas the ones that have a perfect experience may not but, a 'no-start' issue is pretty spectacular when you get down to the costs and such associated with our engines. I know it was nipped in the bud pretty quickly but, that didn't stop some folks from updating their truck with the newest/latest/greatest version (which seems to have to happen every other day for some reason) and not having a truck to drive for about a half day or so until the issue was resolved -- well, in my mind, that's not a little fluke... that's super significant. It could happen with ANY tuner though...

I also fell more comfortable leaving my tuning to someone who really knows what they're doing. That's not meant as a slam to any one individual but more as a slam to me...I know that the limits are pretty tight on the Edge such that it's probably impossible to totally fry your motor but, I didn't really trust myself to 'tinker' with those settings nor did I trust a plethora of folks telling me to set your Rev Limiter to this and your shift point to that (and I mean no disrespect to any of our members on that -- it's just that I want to KNOW what I'm doing to the motor based on better information than "I tried this and it worked...")... I don't know, maybe it's just me but, in my head, that's what I paid $ for -- someone to put data into a tune that knows what they're doing -- much more so than I know how to do it. Maybe continually updating the programming makes it better, I don't know? I just don't know how you can squeeze any more juice out of a turnip (or however that saying goes) once you get it to a certain point.

This post isn't meant to be an Edge bash session -- quite the contrary -- more of a personal observation and regurgitation of what I've read. Negative stories always standout more than the positive and maybe, after reading a few negatives, I got skewed. I know that there are oodles out there that use and love the device... and I want to make sure that I point that out. Alot of folks love this device.

Whichever way you go, there are going to be 'cons'. For me, the only con to the XCal was that my foot got heavier and thus my gas bill seems to be higher each month (gotta love that Shell MasterCard)... I suspect you'd have the same con with the Edge as well. ..or any other tuner.

Best of luck with whatever you go with... it's your money, spend it wisely! Also, I'd really encourage you to dredge this site for information. Goodness knows that this is a horse that has been beat to death several times over... most everyone is pretty set in their opinion and really won't show much flex... that's why it's important to look at ALL of the cons and ALL of the pros for both... There is enough 'untapped fun' within our Triton motors that you're going to be very pleased with a tuner in general. Again, good luck!

RP

 

Nice!

 

I couldn't of said it better myself....really I couldn't (regarding RP's comments).

I ended up going with the xcal2. Simply because Troyer has more experience in tuning the F150. And it can always be programed for another vehicle down the road. Now, if I had a deisel F250, I might have had to get the edge. I donno. I think that I'm going to be very happy with my decision and I hope that you will too. I did all of my research from this site to come to my decision. Perhaps I should have looked elsewhere in additon. I do not have the slightest clue for tuning a vehicle. I wouldn't feel comfortable tuning a bicycle. Thats why I choose someone that knows the ins and outs about tuning the F150 specifically. And basically alot of guys here trust Mike Troyer in tuning the xcal2. And by the way it doesn't have to be tuned by Mike, there are other xcal2 tuners out there.

Alot of guys here suggest to call Mike Troyer for his knowledge of the matter. I suggest it too. He sells both the xcal2 and the edge. He will give you the pros and cons of both and let you decide.

In my opinion, sure at some point, the edge will have all the bugs worked out of it. And I might switch at that point. But for now I'm sticking to what the majority are using and have not had problems with.

Good Luck

 

Very nicely stated RP,

thats why I sold my EDGE, buggie updates or as i've been told by others here.. its nothing wrong with the updates.. it EDGE's servers, firewalls. ect.ect ..well its all the same to me....and as RP stated, I don't want to tune my own truck, I'm a master autoglass installer, not a truck tuner....also I may invest in a Rousch I/C Supercharger later, EDGE is worthless at that point....

Mike Troyer's Custom Tuned XCal2 for me, Plug and Play, upgradable to what ever your wallet can handle..

my 2 cents...

 

Here's my opinion after having BOTH tuners. I liked the Edge gauges and the performance was certainly better than stock. The problem with it is there is no safety net. At least not enough for me.

Some of these trucks run very lean from the factory, and there is no way of knowing whether your truck is one of those without a trip to the dyno, or installing a wideband A/F monitor. This is the reason I didn't feel comfortable tinkering with the customizable settings on the Edge.

After installing a wideband A/F monitor in my truck, I found that mine was one that was running lean on the stock tune (14.7:1) at WOT. This is not a good thing. With my TP tuned Xcal2 running the 93 Performance tune, the A/F ratio is 11.5:1 at WOT, with more than a full second reduction in both 0-60 and 1/4 mile times.

For me what it comes down to is maximum "safe and sustainable" gains. And the TP Xcal2 provides those.