Okay as far as tuners are concerned (be it Edge, Xcal 2, or what-have-you), what is the difference between a tow tune and a performance tune, or even just an optimized tune. Say for example running 87 octane, how do each of these tunes differ with no octane change. It is simple timing and shift points? Anyone have any imput on this? ASE mechanic? Troyer?

 

higher octane tune will have more spark advance -the tow tunes will have more fuel to run lower egt's[exhaust gas temps] while under load-shift points and characteristics may be changed based on your code- best bet is to call mike troyer with your code and tell him what you will like to achieve- he will go over everything in detail on all the characteristics of your code-phil

 

PCM code?

 

Powertrain Control Module

 

Umm....yeah....thanks. The question wasn't what is a PCM code, but rather which "code" openclass was speaking of. But anyhow JP, any other input on the question? You usually have pretty sound comments, what do you think?

 

i was referring to the pcm code- label is on the door jamb-3 letters followed by 1 number-

 

Openclass,
Thanks for the advice. However, chances are I may not go with troyer. I have an opportunity to get a custom tuning done for less in my own back-yard--well almost. I've beenworking with these guys for months and I told them about Troyer's group buy and they said they would beat it.
My hope is to be able to talk to the technician about optimizing the tune for towing and performance in 87 and higher octane--much like Troyer's. What I lack is the mechanical know-how to put that into terms that a technician can fully understand.

 

They might be able to beat the price. The tuning however I highly doubt.

Mike has been doing this for years.

You definately won't regret paying a little extra to get one from him.

 

All you specifically know is "Troyers" tuning, you have nothing else to compare it to. Have you ever seen a post on here that comapred Troyer Performance to Steeda, JDM, JMS? I *highly* doubt you will because they are the best of the best SCT tuners.

Go with the guys in your backyard and be happy.

 

Yeah,
This is the JBA speedshop and they tune for the steeda mustang!

 

****acola,

I'm not sure if you are familiar with the members of this forum and what they believe, but here is a link to a very interesting thread posted by (98Navi) one who did not believe in TP or the XCal2. Please read the following thread:
https://www.f150online.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=228939

Who you get to tune your vehicle is ultimately noone's choice but your own. I would encourage you to be certain that the tune you receive is safe as well as impressive. With Troyer, you can always sleep at night knowing that the tune you receive is safe and not damaging/ straining your vehicle where other tuners may.

I have the XCal2 for my F150 from TP and am extremely happy with his tunes, as well as the hundreds of other members on this site are. I too, have a 2006 GT Mustang that I have discussed with Mike as well as my local Mustang tuner (who Troyer spoke very highly of) and when it comes time to tune the GT, it too will be done by TP as well.

You choose the tuner that you feel comfortable with. Ask a lot of questions from any tuner that you decide to use. And by all means, talk to TP before you make your final decision.

Regards,
Greenhaw

 

If the tuners in "your back yard" dont already know the answer to this then I would not let them touch my truck!

 

Green,
Thanks for the input. Yes I am familiar with the ideals of the members of this forum. I also read other forums as well. As Asinatra said, I --well most members included-- only know "troyer's" tuning. So, based on the sole opinions of the members of this forum, I should go with Troyer? Look I know he has a good reputation. Shoot I have chatted back and forth with him on threads like this before. I'm really not questioning his work when compared to others. But when it comes right down to it, if I can get a comparable product for a comparable price and I live 10 minutes from the Speed Shop, I'm 9 times out of 10 going to go with who I know. I've dealt with these guys for some time now and they have been around longer than most other performance companies. Their reputation across many forums stands as a good litmus. --Again, not anything against Troyer--in fact I still hold him in high regard as a tuner. Just not for me on this truck. Consider that when I lift the truck, change gears, fart in the upholstery--I'll have to get another tune, dyno, all that. With these guys I show up and it's done in an hour or two. No waiting, no seperate dyno costs, nada. I got the instructions on how to datalog and all that needed to be done by me, and I thought isn't this what I'm paying you to do? My $0.02...

Silver,
In my backyard was an expression. It most certainly could not be done in a back yard...unless it was mike troyer's where he probably has a dynamometer next to the swimming pool!

 

Hey Guys,

Just relax - some people's minds you just aren't going to change - the best bet is to simply ignore them.

I suggest that those who have decided that someone else is more qualified to do their tuning get their advice from their tuner, instead of expecting people here to answer questions that are only *properly* answered by the individual tuner doing the actual work! Actually, someone who doesn't even know the basics of this really isn't in a position to make quality judgments on any tuner's work.

Look, everyone has a right to use whoever they want - absolutely - and those who have their mind made up need to go get their answers from the individual they decided is going to do their tuning - not come here trying to second-guess their own tuner.

Additionally, some are here only to turn these boards into a war zone, or have an obvious agenda, or simply cannot hide their two-faced behavior - like asintra's numerous efforts, for example, while have rewarded him with a clear "red" code for his "reputation" in his public listing here. He's had numerous posts of his edited/removed, threads deleted, claiming no "affiliation" with a competitor whose link he deliberately placed in his signature line in a gross violation of the rules here, etc. I think it's a riot the way he portrays himself, as if everyone didn't clearly know exactly what he's really up to - and of course, at the very same time, **he's sending me emails asking me for a quote to tune his truck** - which will never happen.

Just don't let them get to you - let everyone do what they want, and wish them well in the process - so that way everyone's happy.

 

This type of passive-aggressive shot isn't going to gain you any respect in my book. The fact is I started this thread to gain information about whether or not I should get a tow-tune and under what parameters would it be set. I did not ask that anyone give me their opinion as to who to get my tune through. Yet, when people started chiming in with exactly that and not answering the question--I let it ride & never once took a shot at you or your tuning abilities. I just reiterated my question. To come back here and state that someone who essentially asks a question, "isn't in a position to make a quality judgment", is just bad taste.


I'm not even sure where to begin here...First, I have every right to come to this forum and ask questions. In fact that is the whole point to a forum. You are in a unique position here, being a vendor who uses this forum to sell and advertise. But don't abuse it. Don't go putting words in my mouth saying that I'm trying to second guess my tuner. I never said I didn't think my tuner was capable of doing the tunes. I was asking questions to decide what it was I want in the tune---not the tuner.

You lost a lot of respect in my book by trying to personally attack me here. By making broad generalizations and assuming what you dared not ask, you let your ego get in the way of your brain. As a businessman myself, I would never do that. Best of luck to you.

Regards,
C.