Does the Xcal2 void warranty?
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Hello AnotherNewOwner,
I suggest that you educate yourself, instead of making comments deliberately intended to call into question our veracity. integrity & honesty - that wasn't a very smart thing to do, IMHO. You don't know the first thing about us, and to accuse us of being willing to tell you anything to make a sale is not only dead wrong, but not very bright considering your near-complete lack of knowledge of us or out company or business practices, and a downright incorrect assumption.
It's up to you to educate yourself - to call our veracity into question and then demand that we point you to anywhere for you to educate yourself is - to put it mildly - not even remotely a consistent, or viable position. Indeed.
We are not responsible for your education - YOU are. I have already given you that info, now either use it or don't - but don't ever call into question our veracity. I won't even begin wot tell you what I think of the class of individual that would engage in such conduct.
If you ever do actually educate yourself on this properly, you'll find out that the vast majority of the rights you have are in fact thanks to the extremely honest & hard-working people at SEMA, who have NO vested interest whatever, as they DO NOT SELL AFTERMARKET PARTS. They are in fact a 501 C3 non-profit organization dedicated to helping the public protect their rights over their own property.
Just for your edification, they are basically darn near all that stands between the automakers monopolistic practices that were allowed to continue tor DECADES and your actual rights under the law - so rather than attack them or us, a heartfelt THANK YOU would be far more appropriate and in order, my friend.
I wish you well,
I suggest that you educate yourself, instead of making comments deliberately intended to call into question our veracity. integrity & honesty - that wasn't a very smart thing to do, IMHO. You don't know the first thing about us, and to accuse us of being willing to tell you anything to make a sale is not only dead wrong, but not very bright considering your near-complete lack of knowledge of us or out company or business practices, and a downright incorrect assumption.
It's up to you to educate yourself - to call our veracity into question and then demand that we point you to anywhere for you to educate yourself is - to put it mildly - not even remotely a consistent, or viable position. Indeed.
We are not responsible for your education - YOU are. I have already given you that info, now either use it or don't - but don't ever call into question our veracity. I won't even begin wot tell you what I think of the class of individual that would engage in such conduct.
If you ever do actually educate yourself on this properly, you'll find out that the vast majority of the rights you have are in fact thanks to the extremely honest & hard-working people at SEMA, who have NO vested interest whatever, as they DO NOT SELL AFTERMARKET PARTS. They are in fact a 501 C3 non-profit organization dedicated to helping the public protect their rights over their own property.
Just for your edification, they are basically darn near all that stands between the automakers monopolistic practices that were allowed to continue tor DECADES and your actual rights under the law - so rather than attack them or us, a heartfelt THANK YOU would be far more appropriate and in order, my friend.
I wish you well,
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From: New Jersey
Originally Posted by AnotherNewOwner
Considering that both SEMA and aftermarket distributors such as yourself have a vested interest in pursuading potential buyers to this view, I hope you'll excuse my skepticism. Just for the sake of argument, where at the SEMA site can one find the legal citations supporting this conclusion? I don't think the relevant areas of civil and criminal law are nearly as cut and dried as you've described, but I am open to legitimate evidence. 
Your trying to sound intelligent....it ain't working 
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Originally Posted by Superchips_Distributor
Hello AnotherNewOwner,
I suggest that you educate yourself...etc.
I suggest that you educate yourself...etc.
I'd like to ask one more question, just to be certain I understand your company's position. In the event Ford determines a particular repair to be ineligible for warranty coverage due to installation/use of product(s) you distribute, will you reimburse the vehicle owner for repairs?
Please try not to be a jerk this time; it's an entirely reasonable question.
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From: Detroit Rock City
Originally Posted by AnotherNewOwner
... In the event Ford determines a particular repair to be ineligible for warranty coverage due to installation/use of product(s) you distribute, will you reimburse the vehicle owner for repairs?
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Originally Posted by AnotherNewOwner
It's always disappointing when someone in your position chooses to respond this way. If I had known you were twelve years old, I wouldn't have bothered to post.
I'd like to ask one more question, just to be certain I understand your company's position. In the event Ford determines a particular repair to be ineligible for warranty coverage due to installation/use of product(s) you distribute, will you reimburse the vehicle owner for repairs?
Please try not to be a jerk this time; it's an entirely reasonable question.
I'd like to ask one more question, just to be certain I understand your company's position. In the event Ford determines a particular repair to be ineligible for warranty coverage due to installation/use of product(s) you distribute, will you reimburse the vehicle owner for repairs?
Please try not to be a jerk this time; it's an entirely reasonable question.
You're the only jerk on this thread, I suggest you don't "bother to post" again.
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AnotherNewOwner - you would not, perchance:
> be related to 'exx', would you?
> have attended the same charm school?
> been dropped on your head at birth?
> have spent the 70's experimenting with mind-altering substances?
> been abducted by aliens?
> have watched too many banal sitcoms?
> actually be 12 yourself?
.... because you both share the same disturbing absence of tact.
Here's a definition - perhaps you should read it fully - (see the bolded part).
"Main Entry: tact
Pronunciation: 'takt
Function: noun
Etymology: French, sense of touch, from Latin tactus, from tangere to touch -- more at TANGENT
1 : sensitive mental or aesthetic perception <converted the novel into a play with remarkable skill and tact>
2 : a keen sense of what to do or say in order to maintain good relations with others or avoid offense
synonyms TACT, ADDRESS, POISE, SAVOIR FAIRE mean skill and grace in dealing with others. TACT implies delicate and considerate perception of what is appropriate <questions showing a lack of tact>. ADDRESS stresses dexterity and grace in dealing with new and trying situations and may imply success in attaining one's ends <brought it off with remarkable address>. POISE may imply both tact and address but stresses self-possession and ease in meeting difficult situations <answered the accusations with unruffled poise>. SAVOIR FAIRE is likely to stress worldly experience and a sure awareness of what is proper or expedient <the savoir faire of a seasoned traveler>.
If you want continued assistance you should exercise some of the above. Most folks respond better if the juvenile name-calling is ommitted.
I've been branded a Neanderthal , but I still help out where I can - between hunts .
Cheers
Grog
> be related to 'exx', would you?
> have attended the same charm school?
> been dropped on your head at birth?
> have spent the 70's experimenting with mind-altering substances?
> been abducted by aliens?
> have watched too many banal sitcoms?
> actually be 12 yourself?
.... because you both share the same disturbing absence of tact.
Here's a definition - perhaps you should read it fully - (see the bolded part).
"Main Entry: tact
Pronunciation: 'takt
Function: noun
Etymology: French, sense of touch, from Latin tactus, from tangere to touch -- more at TANGENT
1 : sensitive mental or aesthetic perception <converted the novel into a play with remarkable skill and tact>
2 : a keen sense of what to do or say in order to maintain good relations with others or avoid offense
synonyms TACT, ADDRESS, POISE, SAVOIR FAIRE mean skill and grace in dealing with others. TACT implies delicate and considerate perception of what is appropriate <questions showing a lack of tact>. ADDRESS stresses dexterity and grace in dealing with new and trying situations and may imply success in attaining one's ends <brought it off with remarkable address>. POISE may imply both tact and address but stresses self-possession and ease in meeting difficult situations <answered the accusations with unruffled poise>. SAVOIR FAIRE is likely to stress worldly experience and a sure awareness of what is proper or expedient <the savoir faire of a seasoned traveler>.
If you want continued assistance you should exercise some of the above. Most folks respond better if the juvenile name-calling is ommitted.
I've been branded a Neanderthal , but I still help out where I can - between hunts
. Cheers
Grog
Last edited by MGDfan; Aug 24, 2005 at 12:40 PM.
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I think many people are getting bent out of shape. I think many know I have made many good comments about Mike, his tuning, and his service.
The fact remains there is NO law whatsoever that protects consumers or gives them the ability to modify their vehicles and then expect the manufacture to warranty the repair. None, the “Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act” does not give an owner the right to modify the performance of the motor and then force the manufacture to repair it for free.
A "tune" or "chip" is designed to modify the motor beyond what the manufacture originally designed and thus the manufacture can deny any and all warranties, related to the drive train (i.e. motor, transmission, u-joints, differential etc.) if they have any reason to believe a “tune” or “chip” was installed at the time of damage.
The manufacture does NOT have to prove the “tune” or “chip” caused the damage. The simple evidence of having a “tune” or “chip” is all that is needed for any dealer or any manufacture to send you packing.
It is very easy for any dealer to determine if a “chip” has ever been installed because even if the owner takes it out the evidence is there unless you replace the computer.
You as the consumer will have to spend your money proving that the “tune” or “chip” did not cause the damage it’s as simple as that.
You can not take what SEMA states as gospel since they have very high stakes in aftermarket parts. Just go to their site and read the following, from SEMA
If someone has any questions or concerns about being denied warranty work due to a performance modification (i.e. tune or chip) they should NOT install any “performance” modifications until the warranty period is over.
If you don’t have the cash to pay then you shouldn’t be playing to begin with…
The fact remains there is NO law whatsoever that protects consumers or gives them the ability to modify their vehicles and then expect the manufacture to warranty the repair. None, the “Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act” does not give an owner the right to modify the performance of the motor and then force the manufacture to repair it for free.
A "tune" or "chip" is designed to modify the motor beyond what the manufacture originally designed and thus the manufacture can deny any and all warranties, related to the drive train (i.e. motor, transmission, u-joints, differential etc.) if they have any reason to believe a “tune” or “chip” was installed at the time of damage.
The manufacture does NOT have to prove the “tune” or “chip” caused the damage. The simple evidence of having a “tune” or “chip” is all that is needed for any dealer or any manufacture to send you packing.
It is very easy for any dealer to determine if a “chip” has ever been installed because even if the owner takes it out the evidence is there unless you replace the computer.
You as the consumer will have to spend your money proving that the “tune” or “chip” did not cause the damage it’s as simple as that.
You can not take what SEMA states as gospel since they have very high stakes in aftermarket parts. Just go to their site and read the following, from SEMA
” For four decades SEMA, the Specialty Equipment Market Association, has been at the forefront of the automotive aftermarket – a unique industry dedicated to the enhanced performance, appearance and handling of all types of passenger cars, light trucks and recreational vehicles.”
” Now more than 6,466 companies strong, SEMA has evolved into an international trade association, which today serves and embraces a diverse constituency representing the full spectrum of the specialty automotive equipment industry.”
” SEMA-member companies contribute to the vitality and strength of a $31 billion-a-year retail industry.”
If you don’t have the cash to pay then you shouldn’t be playing to begin with…
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From: Virginia
Hello AnotherNew Owner,
I sure hope you haven't stopped even further (if that's even possible given your conduct to date) to calling me a lair - I don't tolerate cowards hiding behind monitors to say things they'd *never* say to my face for fear of losing some teeth - so I really hope you haven't' stopped to that level.
I also hope you don't think or are trying to pass off what you have posted here merely represents healthy "skepticism," as if so, I'd say you really need to learn some manners, son.
Its' a shame there's just no entrance exam for the Internet.
I sure hope you haven't stopped even further (if that's even possible given your conduct to date) to calling me a lair - I don't tolerate cowards hiding behind monitors to say things they'd *never* say to my face for fear of losing some teeth - so I really hope you haven't' stopped to that level.
I also hope you don't think or are trying to pass off what you have posted here merely represents healthy "skepticism," as if so, I'd say you really need to learn some manners, son.
Its' a shame there's just no entrance exam for the Internet.
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The law means that the use of an aftermarket part alone is not cause for denying the warranty. However, the law's protection does not extend to aftermarket parts in situations where such parts actually caused the damage being claimed under the warranty.
The dealer can deny a warranty claim, but he cant deny warranty work just because your vehicle has an after market chip in it.
The damage has to be caused by the aftermarket product in question.
Unfortunantly, I dont think the dealership has to prove it.......... just reasonable suspicion????
It clearly states that If the aftermarket product comes into question you should try to reach a comprimise. It also states that getting second opinions can help if your claim is rejected.
The law gives no absolutes. For the consumer or the dealer....
The best Statement I read was...
Disputes in this area usually boil down to arguments over facts and technical opinions, rather than arguments over interpretations of the law.
"How likely is it for a chip to blow up my motor??"
Its a proven and tested product. I wouldnt really worry about it.
By design, It wont cause problems. Even if it should fail, It will just leave you stranded.....Its very doubtful that it would cause any damage to your truck. well, unless you used some kind of "out to lunch" custom tune.