How long does it take for the F150 computer to "transition/adsorb/change" from one program to the other program?

More detailed question: My chip is a towing calibration in position 1 & a muscle car program in position 2.

(W/out resetting computer and just flipping the toggle switch with the ingnition off):

Is there a "re-learn" period after flipping the switch or does it happen instantly?? Or is it a 80% transition at first and the rest builds in gradually over time??

Mike

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1999 4X4SC, F250 Light Duty, 5.4L (replaced with new 5.4L 04/11/00 due to oil leak)
4R100 also replaced with reman on 02/07/01 due to hard 3-4 downshift.
3.73LS
Gibson Sweptside
K&N
Bilsteins
Flip Chip

 

Good question. I've been thinking the same thing myself. But I can't bring myself to switch the dang thing off the power mode!

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* 2000 F-150 XLT Black FS; 5.4L; 4x4 ORP
* Da Flip Chip! * 3.55 Limited Slip * Stepups
* Sliding Rear Window * 6-Way Power Seat
* Remote Keyless Entry
* Lund Trident Bug Shield * Custom Exhaust
* Fumoto Oil Drain Plug Valve (a must for do-it-yourselfers!)
* Wise Bedrug

So many mods, so little cash! On the up side, no wife to create a filibuster.

 

Thanks again Mike!

I will get back to you on the shifts in a couple of weeks. I'm headed out of town for a week so I won't put many miles on the truck till after then. Our "fix" definately seemed to do the trick though.

Thanks again!

Mike

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1999 4X4SC, F250 Light Duty, 5.4L (replaced with new 5.4L 04/11/00 due to oil leak)
4R100 also replaced with reman on 02/07/01 due to hard 3-4 downshift.
3.73LS
Gibson Sweptside
K&N
Bilsteins
Flip Chip

 

Hi Mike,

As you may recall from us discussing this previously over the phone, first, it will depend somewhat on just exactly what the differences are between the 2 programs, and them second, by how the vehicle is driven. In your case, the 2 programs are very close to being identical, the sole exception is more line pressure in the transmission program in Position 2. So it's going to take about 50-100 miles or so to get the full effect of it, and that will also be affected by how you drive it. Meaning, if you drive it in that mode conservatively, the shifts won't be any firmer than the program in Position 1. They will only be firmer if you drive it harder, just like a musclecar, as that is the type of program you have.

The only difference you're going to have between those 2 programs is more line pressure on heavy throttle; the program in Position 2 should give you a nice short "chirp" of the tires on the full-throttle 1-2 upshift (assuming that your vehicle isn't so heavy that it just won't do that without more power, and that could potentially be an issue with your heavy F-250 with the 5.4 motor), where the program in Position 1 will not shift firm enough to chirp the tires on the WOT 1-2 upshift.

If what you are wondering is, do you have the same basic type of complete re-learn cycle when flipping the switch as you do upon initial installation of the Superchip, the answer to that is no. When you first install a Superchip, the total length of the "re-learn" can be as short as 350 miles, or as long as 800-1000 miles, normally it's about 350-500 miles, or 1-2 tanks of gas in other words.

When you flip the switch on the Flip Chip to change programs with your setup, you don't have to go thru that complete re-learn cycle all over again with the program combination that you have, as they are very close, the only difference is how much line pressure is being used on heavier throttle. So you're going to get that within about 50-100 miles or so, if the vehicle is not driven conservatively. If it's driven conservatively, then of course you're not going to feel any difference, as this is only going to shift harder when you're into the throttle. Now, if after driving it for awhile you want those shifts on Side 2 to be even firmer, that can easily be done, just call us.

If you have any other questions about this, please contact us here at Performance, Mike, Others here with Flip Chips can of course give you feedback & comment on what they notice with their program combinations, but to give you an accurate answer with your particular custom setup, we'd need to give you specific answers.

Have fun & talk to you soon!

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Mike Troyer
Performance Products, Inc.
National Distributor of Superchips
(540) 862-9515
Email: mtroyer@compuserve.com
Performance Products F150Online Superchip ordering system: F150Online Superchip Ordering System
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[This message has been edited by Superchips_Distributor (edited 04-06-2001).]

 

Hi Mike,

Good to "see" you here again!

OK, that sounds fine, & have a good trip!



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Mike Troyer
Performance Products, Inc.
National Distributor of Superchips
(540) 862-9515
Email: mtroyer@compuserve.com
Performance Products F150Online Superchip ordering system: F150Online Superchip Ordering System
First National F-150 Online Rally Event Organizer

 

If i were to get a flip chip on my 2000 Excursion one prgm to run 87 and one to run 93 for towing, how long would the transition take? Would it be worth it if i was only towing 250mi at a time (sometimes more)? Would I fill it w/premium then flip the switch the day befor the towing trip?

Thanks

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2000 Black Excursion
4WD XLT V10 -Fully Loaded
-Volant Cold Air Intake

 

Hi Excursion,

In that situation, it'll take maybe 50 miles or so for the full change to take effect.

You'll just flip the switch at the same time you fill up with the different octane level, you don't have to change octane levels a day before flipping the switch.

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Mike Troyer
Performance Products, Inc.
National Distributor of Superchips
(540) 862-9515
Email: mtroyer@compuserve.com
Performance Products F150Online Superchip ordering system: F150Online Superchip Ordering System
First National F-150 Online Rally Event Organizer

 

EXCURS10N- What are you towing with that thing that you would need more power???? My dad has a 2000 Excursion, V10, black, exact same as yours, and my god, that thing tows everything! That is one sweet truck.

And Mike- I am thinking of getting a superchip for my truck (98 F150). Well maybe not thinking, just waiting to save some more money up so i can get one. Now from this post im reading about some flip chip? what is this? is it made by superchip too? and how much more does it cost than the regular superchip. Sorry for all the questions, but i am new to this computer chip stuff and dont have a great deal of money and want to be sure this is what i want.
Thanks,
Brian

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98 F150 XLT Supercab 4X4
4.6L V8 3.55LS
Tonno Cover, Brush Guard, Dukes of Hazzard Dixie Horn, 2 150 watt KC Daylighters, Cobra CB Radio
http://hometown.aol.com/barto24/brianstruck.html

[This message has been edited by Barto24 (edited 04-11-2001).]

 

Well......
My Excuse is towing - something that doesn't make me seem as "power-hungry" as I am . I tow a car with an enclosed trailer, weighing in at about 6200lbs, but I allways pack down the Truck with about 800+lbs worth of eqiupment and what not, so the extra power is for those nasty hills, and the Truckers who like to blow by you at 80+mph and shake the sh*t out of you and your trailer. I usually use 93 to tow anyway to get the extra power, so I figure the flip chip might be a good idea. Your right though, this thing feels like it could tow a house! But you know it's never enough!!!

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2000 Black Excursion
4WD XLT V10 -Fully Loaded
-Volant Cold Air Intake

 

Hi Barto24,

The webmaster here has a policy against us quoting exact sale prices here, to keep the message boards free of what is considered blatant commercal content, so for details on exact pricing, please just give us a quick call or shoot us an email, our contact info is just below. Or even easier, you can just click on the link in our signature line just below that takes you to our online ordering system, so you can see the price difference right there, & thanks very much for your understanding on that.

The Flip Chip is simply a 2-program type of Superchip, where you can have 2 different programs and just flip the switch to select whihc program you run on. It was originally designed years ago for drag racers who needed one program to run with nitrous oxide, and then another program for the rest of the time, when they aren't spraying the nitrous into the motor. These days, it's used anytime custom programming is needed, and what's becoming more popular now is to set it up with one program for 87 octane, and the other for 92 octane. The power gain on the 87 octane side is going ot be small, no more than 3-5 horsepower, but all the delays & retards are removed as well, so the vehicle will still accelerate a bit quicker on it. Then when you want maximum power, you can fill it up with premium and flip the switch!

Please feel free to give us a call to go over all the details & various options, etc., we'll be happy to go over all of that with you, so you can give it some thought for when you're ready to get your Superchip.

And in the meantime, have fun & good luck with your truck!

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Mike Troyer
Performance Products, Inc.
National Distributor of Superchips
(540) 862-9515
Email: mtroyer@compuserve.com
Performance Products F150Online Superchip ordering system: F150Online Superchip Ordering System
First National F-150 Online Rally Event Organizer

 

Feedback:

OK, Back from the trip. The new flip chip works great!

Some feedback for MIKE TROYER: The new MC program in position II works great. Haven't tried the performance position I setting yet (too much fun on the MC program!), but the MC setting produced the shifts that I was looking for on the 2-3, 3-4, & TC lockup. The 1-2 (even at WOT) still has the "delay" and won't even come close to a chirp (not a hp thing but a delay) although the 2-3 hits nice & hard. After about 400 miles I even did about 5 WOT starts to help the program do it's "performance learn thing" but still the 1-2 delay (although firmer). HERE'S THE BEST THING: TC stays locked above 65mph. After coasting above 65mph and then applying throttle, that annoying 300-400 RPM rise before TC lock again is gone. Engine brake above 65 is the best way to describe it. Still got the "fuel-saving-coast-tach-drop" (a new word maybe) when I get below 65. Also, the TC stays locked on grades that it used to downshift on - probably due to more HP keeping it in.

Very happy but puzzled on the 1-2 delay. Might be the remanned 4R100????
Your Thoughts?

Thanks again Mike!

Mike

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1999 4X4SC, F250 Light Duty, 5.4L (replaced with new 5.4L 04/11/00 due to oil leak)
4R100 also replaced with reman on 02/07/01 due to hard 3-4 downshift.
3.73LS
Gibson Sweptside
K&N
Bilsteins
Flip Chip

 

Hi Mike,

As we discussed over the phone after you installed the Flip Chip with the new custom programs setup, the transitional spark retard that occurs during the upshift is gone, so whatever you're experiencing on the 1-2 has nothing to do with that.

It sounds to me like that particular transmission just is not able to produce enough physical line pressure to "chirp" the tires, in which case, the only thing that will do that is a shift kit, which will physically modify the transmission to make it capable of producing more line pressure. In most cases that isn't needed, usually these trannys are capable of producing enough line pressure but are not allowed to in the programming. However, that is not an absolute, these transmissions can, will and do vary, so if you want tire-chirping upshifts, it's obviously going to take the installation of a shift kit to physically modify the transmission, assuming there isn't a problem with the clutch pack itself.



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Mike Troyer
Performance Products, Inc.
National Distributor of Superchips
(540) 862-9515
Email: mtroyer@compuserve.com
Performance Products F150Online Superchip ordering system: F150Online Superchip Ordering System
First National F-150 Online Rally Event Organizer