Ok, this post is basicaly for Mike Troyer but anybody that has one or knows about it please reply. I would like to know what the deal is with it. I like the idea of having the ability to turn it on and off when needed.

Here are some ?'s
-What is the cost?
-How easy is instalation?
-What are improvements without using Premium?
-What are improvements using Premium?
-Should I do this after exhaust and intake mods?
Well I think thats it. Thanks everyone.

Bones

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2000 F-150, XLT, 4X2, Ext. Cab, S/B, 4.6L, 3.55 L/S, Tow Package, Premium Sound CD Player.

Future Mods: NONE, I'm broke.

 

Dear Bones,

For pricing, please contact us privately via email or phone, our contact info is below for your convenience.

Installation of the Superchip on these F-150's is pretty easy, and you can read a lot about installation on these many discussion threads right here in this section, and that will tell you quite a bit from the perspective of those who are installing it for the first time. With regards to installing the Flip Chip, the only difference between it and the regular single-program Superchip is that you have a 2 position switch attached to the Superchip module, with a 2-3 foot lead on it so you can mount the switch where you want. You can even extend the lead if you like.

Installing a Superchip for the first time on the late-model (97&up) F-150 takes about 30 minutes for a first-timer. Some people take a bit longer, but it's a fairly short process in any case. Installation instructions are included of course, and Tech Support is just a phone call away.

There is not going to be any appreciable gain in engine power with a Superchip programmed for regular gasoline. If it's an automatic, it will accelerate a bit better due to the improved transmission programming, but you won't see a raw engine power gain to amount to anything, maybe a handful of horsepower if you're lucky. The Superchip program for premium gasoline will add 26 horsepower and 40 lbs./ft. of torque to the 4.6 engine.

The Flip Chip doesn't have any one particular configuration, it's a product that can hold *any* 2 programs. The only real applicability of the Flip Chip is for those who actually have a need for 2 completely separate programs, so it's a custom product, in other words. It can be set up where Position 1 is the factory stock program, and Position 2 is the normal performance program, which requires premium gas. It can be set up with one program for regular gasoline but with all our other normal modifications, and then the other program being the performance program requiring premium gasoline. So how you have your Flip Chip configured is up to you. Keep in mind that the Flip Chip will not get any more power gain than the standard single-program Superchip that the vast majority of people are using. It's simply a product for those who need 2 different programs, and if you have a need for that, then it's a great product. But if you don't really have a need for 2 different programs, then you might not want to spend the additional money, as the Flip Chip is a considerably more expensive product than the single-program Superchip.

You can install the Superchip at any time, intake & exhaust mods like K&N air filters, airbox elimination kits, cat-back exhausts, etc., do not need any adjustments made to the program. Most people go with the Superchip first because it adds more power than intake & exhaust mods combined, and does much more for the vehicle. But you can do it in *any* order you like, whatever suits your needs. Also, the Superchip can always be updated for your vehicle, so if you install a Superchip and then a year later decide to install a supercharger, you just send in your Superchip for the custom program update for a small fee, thus protecting your investment.

Please give us a shout in email or by phone, and we'll be happy to go over all your options, so you can think about it and decide which Superchip will be best suited for your needs.

Good luck with your truck,

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Mike Troyer
Performance Products, Inc.
National Distributor of Superchips
(540) 862-9515
Email: mtroyer@compuserve.com
Online Superchip ordering system:https://www.f150online.com/scpp/index.html

[This message has been edited by Superchips_Distributor (edited 03-02-2000).]

 

Thanks Mike.
Looking at that info I think it would be better to go with the standard chip. I appreciate your professionalism and willingness to take the time to answer our questions here. Anyway at the moment I do not have a job so paying the extra price of gas is somewhat out of the question. I know there is a mpg gain but I have a serious case of lead-footitus. Anyway I really appreciate your advise. And hopefully soon I will have a job and can treat my truck to a chip.

Bones

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2000 F-150, XLT, 4X2, Ext. Cab, S/B, 4.6L, 3.55 L/S, Tow Package, Premium Sound CD Player.

Future Mods: NONE, I'm broke.

 

Mike-while you are so involved in this thread, I thought I would throw out another question. I have been reading Fast Fords & Mustangs and on the Modular engines these guys and girls are cutting some amazing times with their Cobras and GT's. The most common mods were a 70 mm TB and a 80 mm Mas Air. If I made simular mods to my truck would this require me to send the chip back to you or can It "learn" these new mods. How about better breathing heads?
I am a very happy customer of the super chip and strongly support this product. Thanks for your time.

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98 White 4.6 Triton STX Flairside,Class III hitch, Blue Cobra Stripes, Euro Lid by Astro, Bed Rug, Fiero Wing, Air Dam,Westin Step Bars, Ground Force 2-4 Drop, Super Chip, K&N, Jet coated JBA stainless headers, Magna Flow Muffler with Stainless Duals.

 

Dear Bones,

We understand your situation, and there's no rush on this end, you have to have your priorities! The Superchip will be available anytime you're ready in the future. Good luck on the job front! I liked your humor in your signature line, where it says Future Mods: NONE, I'm broke! Hang in there, that will change for the better in time.

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Mike Troyer
Performance Products, Inc.
National Distributor of Superchips
(540) 862-9515
Email: mtroyer@compuserve.com
Online Superchip ordering system:https://www.f150online.com/scpp/index.html

[This message has been edited by Superchips_Distributor (edited 03-04-2000).]

 

Dear Flats Man,

Yes, when you change MAF's you sometimes do need to have an adjustment done to the program. This has gotten better just in the last 18 months or so, as most of those manufacturers have done a better job of calibrating those units for stock engines, so instead of it always being automatic that you need an adjustment for a different MAF, it's about 50% - 70% of the time instead of 100%. Larger throttle bodies do not usually need any adjustment, as a loose general rule. They've been run on the Superchips dyno time after time on these stock vehicles, and show no appreciable gains, so we don't recommend changing either unless you do something like porting the cylinder heads and changing camshaft profiles, or supercharging, etc.

Those DOHC Cobras can use more air, unlike the vast majority of stock engines, as they have been handicapped a bit from the factory, to keep them from turning the kind of RPM's they are actually capable of to protect other components. So we do see them make gains where other engine never do in certain areas. I'm on my third DOHC 4.6 motor and love 'em.

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Mike Troyer
Performance Products, Inc.
National Distributor of Superchips
(540) 862-9515
Email: mtroyer@compuserve.com
Online Superchip ordering system:https://www.f150online.com/scpp/index.html

 

Mike-Thanks for the response and as usual it was very informative for me. I also like the 4.6L and wish mine had DOHC's. I know there is a lot more performance in this engine and I am still in the learning stages of these Ford motors. Every thing keeps pointing to the super charger. What interests me is a 4-valve Cobra engine in this truck. Have you run across anyone doing anything like this to their Truck?
thank you for your time!

 

Dear Flats Man,

If memory serves, and I could be mistaken I want to warn you right off, I think the only person that has actually done anything *like* that, that has posted here is maybe Bill Murray, a fellow F150online participant. And I cannot remember any of the details on what vehicle he put the DOHC motor into, assuming my memory is close to correct. He's around here all the time both in this section and down in the Lightning section, and I *think* that he installed a DOHC motor in a non-DOHC originally equipped vehicle. You'd have to double-check with him to make sure, as my memory might not be correct, but I think Bill has done something like this.

I can tell you it's a project, and not cheap to do. The DOHC uses IMRC, which is a computer controlled multi-stage intake runner system, and I personally woulnd't try "converting" an SOHC 4.6 to a DOHC, is just isn't cost-effective. Stuffing a complete DOHC motor into a vehicle that didn't orignally have it is a easier task that "converting" an SOHC motor to a DOHC motor, in other words. I would suggest that if you're really looking for that kind of power gain, to go the supercharging route on your present 4.6, which is basically the same conclusion you seem to have come to so far. It's a very nice SOHC engine with lots of potential, so there is no real reason why you can't have way over 300 horsepower in a very reliable package using the SOHC 4.6 motor, *lots* of people have done it.

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Mike Troyer
Performance Products, Inc.
National Distributor of Superchips
(540) 862-9515
Email: mtroyer@compuserve.com
Online Superchip ordering system:https://www.f150online.com/scpp/index.html

[This message has been edited by Superchips_Distributor (edited 03-06-2000).]

 

Mike, Thanks again. You and the other members on this site have really saved me from making a lot of mistakes and also saved me a lot of money. Of course you guys and girls have made me spend some too. What a great place and again thanks!

 

You're very welcome, that's what we're here for.


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Mike Troyer
Performance Products, Inc.
National Distributor of Superchips
(540) 862-9515
Email: mtroyer@compuserve.com
Online Superchip ordering system:https://www.f150online.com/scpp/index.html

[This message has been edited by Superchips_Distributor (edited 03-07-2000).]

 

Hey Mike,
What kinda horse power can you get from a
y2k,5.4, sc,4x4 ?
How expensive would it be to take it to the low 14's or even high 13's?
Thanks,
AHAB

 

Dear AHAB,

Well, how much power you can get from a 5.4 will depend pretty much on how much money you are willing to spend! Virtually any vehicle can be modified to give a certain performance level, the question is, are you will to do what it takes and spend that kind of money.

There have been a few guys with 99 5.4 2WD vehicles that have gotten into the low 15's and very high 14's using just the Superchip, the Airaid kit, and a good cat-back exhaust. But keep in mind they were the lighter 5.4 configurations, and there can be a rather large variance in performance based on the final weight, controlled by how the vehicle is actually configured. IE, 2WD, 4WD, short cab, super cab, 139" wheelbase, etc., etc.

I'd say to make sure you got into the low 14's and possibly even the 13's, you're going to need to do all that I mentioned above, plus adding a supercharger. And there are a number of guys right here on F150online who have done just that, and have very quick vehicles.

Figure that doing the Superchip, and airbox elimination kit, and a good cat-back exhaust is going to add about 52-54 horsepower, taking you up to about the 310 horsepower level, and slightly over 400 lbs./ft. of torque. For most people, that's plenty. If you still want more at that point, then go with headers, which will add 12-14 hp on the 5.4. And if you *still* need substantially more power, then it's supercharger time.

You can do the Superchip, intake, & exhaust changes for about $700 or less total cost, which is *very* cost-effective. But it is at that point that additional horsepower starts getting a lot more expensive, so I would give that some thought.

Good luck!

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Mike Troyer
Performance Products, Inc.
National Distributor of Superchips
(540) 862-9515
Email: mtroyer@compuserve.com
Online Superchip ordering system:https://www.f150online.com/scpp/index.html