Beachkid, all you do is post quotes on here every time someone brings up using a clay bar. Lots of people have had plenty of success using them. You're the only one who disagrees. Just give it a rest.

It's obvious you find a website, copy all the text and paste it here. If you don't want to clay, fine. I still will twice a year and I'd recommend others too as well.

 

This just gets better and better. Why i bother, I don't know .. I guess I just have a low tolerance for incorrect information.

As I have said numerous times over the last few years, the next time you speak about detailing from experience instead of misreading information will be the first time.

A couple of quick things. ICAR has no issue with claying, they even teach it as part of their detailing instruction. Just like every thing else, there is a proper time and place for every process. As you continually struggle to understand, due to your total lack of real world experience, is that the vast majority of people on this forum are not professional detailers. The processes you recommend all the time are not something the average weekend detailer has any business doing. In almost every instance, clay bar is the best solution for them.


Meguiar's was NOT sued by the FTC for false claims. They were sued by Auto Wax, Inc for patent violations surrounding the clay they were manufacturing themselves, as were a couple of other clay bar manufacturers. Since the lawsuits, they have all gone back to buying their clay from Auto Wax, or licensing the patents to manufacture themselves. The suits had nothing to do with the advertising or uses of the product and everything to do with intellectual and trade property protection.


Which paint manufacturers agree with you and disagree with me? If they disagree so much, then why have none of them ever mentioned it to me in one of the multiple times I have engaged them in conversation over the last couple of decades? Why, when over the course of beers and food, all the while discussing my process for making their product look perfect on a vehicle, have none of them ever, for a second said "oh .. don't do that", but yet more than one of them has actually had me work on their personal show vehicle?

Surely you are smart enough to understand why OEM manuals recommend the process they do, to be conducted by their body shop, or their service department? Those same manuals recommend that you come in and pay for a half hour of labor and allow them to change your air filter.


I don't understand this crap by you in this forum. You interact well in most of the other areas of this community, often providing useful information, but yet in detailing forums, including this one, you continually spout crap that is wrong, uninformed and misunderstood by you.


People are usually smart enough to figure out who to listen to when looking for help. They can listen to someone that simply cuts and pastes the same crap over 100 times, or they can listen to guys with real world experience. I own my own detailing shop. I have been doing this for over 30 years, and have done thousands of vehicles. I have been posting my work in forums since the mid 90's.


This forum is for helping people, and for showing and teaching by example, not for cut and pasting crap. Give it a try some time. If you pay attention, then maybe one day you will actually be able to post a direct sun shot of one of your vehicles without it looking like a dealership just got done using their OEM car manual on it.

 

Let's not get carried away here.

This is the same guy that suggest someone go looking for an IAC on a 2005 MY truck.....

I am not sure where he gets his info, but just about any of it is BS from clay to engine items to tuners...

There needs to be at least 2 copy -> paste people per forum...

 

I guess that pretty much puts to bed any notion that he's a technician. Oh wait, he could be a lousy technician. Never mind. Besides, what he really meant for you to look for was the carburetor.

 

Forgive me as i missed the mgf date on your truck.....

 

The 1st & 2nd are Ford OEM service manuals, published in both 1997 & 2011, I also have Ford paint correction servcie directives going back to 1990, MBW, MB current paint correction directives and all current PPG/SW publications as well....additionally 40 years in the trade, yes I have sprayed, repaired, corrected lacquer, enamel, acryic enam, laytex & urathanes. Although I have not taught in 10+ years, I did inquire with Mr. J. Amborow, ICAR instructor & PPG certfiied paint splst at FBW in California....He reviewed the posted comments and concurred this is "accurate and appropriate with industry instructed policy for the last 10 years"

As a paid sponsor/technical contributor, you must disengage from fraudulent product marketing as is exactly what the Federal Trade Commission informed 3M (owners of Megs) in 2010 regarding the mis-statements made regarding the effects and atributes of clay-bar. I also informed two other Technical forum experts and provided them with my direct information, that if anything i have said about their products is untrue, our corporations attorneys are prepared to respond to ANY action, supeonea, etc....each one including K&N has remained silent. I suggest you do the same....as published industry documents do not lie. You welcome to have any opinion, recommendation as I do, nothing more, nothing less.


https://www.f150online.com/forums/me...r-bar-1997.jpg

https://www.f150online.com/forums/me...y-bar-2006.jpg

 

Now you can't even post in complete, coherent sentences.

What a joke.

 

Sometimes it's good to toss the user manual and play around with techniques.

 

Time for you to provide some actual case info, not keep posting the same pages from the manuals.

The only 2010 FTC - 3M case I can find is on the revised Green Guides on compostable claims and on biodegradability claims.

Nothing comes up with the terms FTC - 3M - Meguiar's - Meguiar* - Clay.

Your attention to detail ( as proven several times ) is greatly lacking in your area of "expertise"

 

Is it just me, or did anybody else notice that this post - just like every other post Beechkid gets involved in - is exactly the same. It's the same advice, the same pictures & links and the same lame arguments. Personally, I'm bored and unimpressed.

 

He loves those service manual pages.
Considering Beechkid posts advice on cleaning paint with 50% denatured alcohol & water, he does not bother to post the page where that is approved in the service manual. Same for his Simple Green suggestion.

I do like how he severely clipped the copy & paste ( from where ever he gets this stuff ) about fraudulent product marketing and being a paid sponsor/technical contributor and corporate attorneys..

I cannot find the source of this info, it must be some email subscription somewhere.

I checked in Pacer and searching federal and all local district courts could not find any case where the FTC sued 3M / Megs about fraudulent product marketing in terms of clay.

Anyone can sign up for a Pacer account and search yourself.
- This is not double secrete probation information, it is out there for everyone to use and read directly, no copy & paste from hidden sources