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Ugg so I just lost my post cuz my computer got messed up. So here it is shortened:
Car was in pretty bad shape, always outside in salt air, rarely washed or waxed, probably never clay barred.
Washed with Hyperwash
Mild Blue Clay Bar
M09
M80
M83
Will Explain that later
m21
Hyperdressing on tires and all palstic
M40 on inside
and I probably forgot a bunch of other stuff
In a nut shell my friend and I were trying out our new DA's. The car was white and not much sun out today. Pretty cloudy. When the sun did show, we could see swirls when we looked at the reflection of the sun in the paint. I tried to get some picture but they arent any good.
We tried m09, m80 with two or three passes on a section and then two passes of m83. I was using the megs yellow pad
The swirls wouldn't go away and I can't figure out why. I am not sure if I am doing something wrong or what. Any suggestions will help
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Car was in pretty bad shape, always outside in salt air, rarely washed or waxed, probably never clay barred.
Washed with Hyperwash
Mild Blue Clay Bar
M09
M80
M83
Will Explain that later
m21
Hyperdressing on tires and all palstic
M40 on inside
and I probably forgot a bunch of other stuff
In a nut shell my friend and I were trying out our new DA's. The car was white and not much sun out today. Pretty cloudy. When the sun did show, we could see swirls when we looked at the reflection of the sun in the paint. I tried to get some picture but they arent any good.
We tried m09, m80 with two or three passes on a section and then two passes of m83. I was using the megs yellow pad
The swirls wouldn't go away and I can't figure out why. I am not sure if I am doing something wrong or what. Any suggestions will help
Before:
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These are the best pics of the swirls I could get which were only visible in the sunlight ( this was after the 09, 80 and 83 attempts)
Even though we couldn't get the swirls out, the truck much much much better than it previously did.
(side question, if you wipe the truck down with QD after 21 will it hurt the wax, we were going to try it but decided not to)
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I'm not a big Meguiars follower so hopefully someone will clarify but I thought #83 was supposed to be followed up by #80. I thought #83 was too abrasive to be a final polish. According to Meguiars website, #21 is a sealant so in essence, didn't you just seal in the micro marring left by the two passes of #83? It's hard to tell looking at pictures online but the paint looks a bit dull (atleast in the last two pictures), which I would imagine would come from not polishing down the #83. Like I said, I'm not a big Meguiars follower and I'm definitely no detailing expert so I may be way off. Someone more knowledgeable will no doubt step in and correct me if I am wrong.
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Sorry I fortgot to mention that i went back over the 83 with 80 again. The swirl pictures were from before I tried 09 or 80 or 83. As for my technique I covered approx a square foot area for my test spot. I put an x across my pad of each product (separate pads might I add). I had the speed at 5 and I spread the product quickly in the square foot area when i first turned on the DA. After it was spread I would go fairly slow (not incredibly but not fast) up my specified area move to the right come down move to the right a little go up and so on until I hit the end of my area and the continued in the same fashion but side to side. I did about 5 or 7 passes for each product trial. I still cannot figurre out why the swirls were not diminishing. We may take the truck up to megs open garage later or something to see what Mike says.
As for the ghetto spare with the missing lug I just wanted to see how much better I could clean it up because it looked pretty bad.
I am going to test out my DA on my truck my dad's car and probably girlfriends car. Thump I tried the chenile mitt on my truck and I shoulda listened to you
There are tiny swirls all around. Looks like it is time to try 09 or maybe 80 on my truck. I am gonna return the other ones get lambs wool and keep this one I guess for wheel cleaning.
As for the ghetto spare with the missing lug I just wanted to see how much better I could clean it up because it looked pretty bad.
I am going to test out my DA on my truck my dad's car and probably girlfriends car. Thump I tried the chenile mitt on my truck and I shoulda listened to you
There are tiny swirls all around. Looks like it is time to try 09 or maybe 80 on my truck. I am gonna return the other ones get lambs wool and keep this one I guess for wheel cleaning.
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Several things.
did you prime the pad?
what did the product look like when you finished working it? It sounds to me like you didn't break it down enough.
how much pressure where you using?
what pattern are you using when moving the DA? back and forth, up and down, what?
If the chenille mitt is good quality, it shouldn't cause any swirling, so if it is, there is another culprit. what did you use for lube with the clay bar? How did you dry it?
Looks like you have it started in the right direction. one of the things you need to do with every job is decide how for it is worth taking. how much more effort do you need to put into it to get it where it needs to be, and are you willing to do that, and do you have the tools to accomplish the desired results.
It is hard to tell from the pics here, but one thign to consider is that a finish neglected this long may habve issues that are beyond the DA's ability to correct.
give us a little more insight into your process with the #80 and the yellow pad. My guess is that if you take several cuts at it with the #80, you will see some improvement.
also .. absolutely no issue with using a QD after the sealant.. as mentioned above, it is a normal process that most of us do, and can actually make the paint look even better, if using a product with those abilities.
did you prime the pad?
what did the product look like when you finished working it? It sounds to me like you didn't break it down enough.
how much pressure where you using?
what pattern are you using when moving the DA? back and forth, up and down, what?
If the chenille mitt is good quality, it shouldn't cause any swirling, so if it is, there is another culprit. what did you use for lube with the clay bar? How did you dry it?
Looks like you have it started in the right direction. one of the things you need to do with every job is decide how for it is worth taking. how much more effort do you need to put into it to get it where it needs to be, and are you willing to do that, and do you have the tools to accomplish the desired results.
It is hard to tell from the pics here, but one thign to consider is that a finish neglected this long may habve issues that are beyond the DA's ability to correct.
give us a little more insight into your process with the #80 and the yellow pad. My guess is that if you take several cuts at it with the #80, you will see some improvement.
also .. absolutely no issue with using a QD after the sealant.. as mentioned above, it is a normal process that most of us do, and can actually make the paint look even better, if using a product with those abilities.
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Several things.
did you prime the pad?
Yes I sprayed the pad with QD (Last Touch diluted 1:1)
what did the product look like when you finished working it? It sounds to me like you didn't break it down enough.
The paint seemed to looked the same without much improvement, I did 7 passes with the 80 and it still wasn't working
how much pressure where you using?
Errr Kinda hard to explain I guess, but I was using some downward pressure on the pad)
what pattern are you using when moving the DA? back and forth, up and down, what?
As I said earlier "As for my technique I covered approx a square foot area for my test spot. I put an x across my pad of each product (separate pads might I add). I had the speed at 5 and I spread the product quickly in the square foot area when i first turned on the DA. After it was spread I would go fairly slow (not incredibly but not fast) up my specified area move to the right come down move to the right a little go up and so on until I hit the end of my area and the continued in the same fashion but side to side. I did about 5 or 7 passes for each product trial."
If the chenille mitt is good quality, it shouldn't cause any swirling, so if it is, there is another culprit. what did you use for lube with the clay bar? How did you dry it?
The chenile mitt was on my truck, (which is not this one). My truck didn't have the small swirls before and now it does... and Thump said he has had the same problem witht hose mits. Lube for the clay was Last Touch diluted 1:1 and dried with the ADS 12 pack of microfibers not wiping, but rather blotting i guess is what you would call it
Looks like you have it started in the right direction. one of the things you need to do with every job is decide how for it is worth taking. how much more effort do you need to put into it to get it where it needs to be, and are you willing to do that, and do you have the tools to accomplish the desired results.
It is hard to tell from the pics here, but one thign to consider is that a finish neglected this long may habve issues that are beyond the DA's ability to correct.
I think it may be that it has been neglected for so long it is something hard to correct
give us a little more insight into your process with the #80 and the yellow pad. My guess is that if you take several cuts at it with the #80, you will see some improvement.
I tried several passes with the 80... but it didn't even look like it helped...
also .. absolutely no issue with using a QD after the sealant.. as mentioned above, it is a normal process that most of us do, and can actually make the paint look even better, if using a product with those abilities.
did you prime the pad?
Yes I sprayed the pad with QD (Last Touch diluted 1:1)
what did the product look like when you finished working it? It sounds to me like you didn't break it down enough.
The paint seemed to looked the same without much improvement, I did 7 passes with the 80 and it still wasn't working
how much pressure where you using?
Errr Kinda hard to explain I guess, but I was using some downward pressure on the pad)
what pattern are you using when moving the DA? back and forth, up and down, what?
As I said earlier "As for my technique I covered approx a square foot area for my test spot. I put an x across my pad of each product (separate pads might I add). I had the speed at 5 and I spread the product quickly in the square foot area when i first turned on the DA. After it was spread I would go fairly slow (not incredibly but not fast) up my specified area move to the right come down move to the right a little go up and so on until I hit the end of my area and the continued in the same fashion but side to side. I did about 5 or 7 passes for each product trial."
If the chenille mitt is good quality, it shouldn't cause any swirling, so if it is, there is another culprit. what did you use for lube with the clay bar? How did you dry it?
The chenile mitt was on my truck, (which is not this one). My truck didn't have the small swirls before and now it does... and Thump said he has had the same problem witht hose mits. Lube for the clay was Last Touch diluted 1:1 and dried with the ADS 12 pack of microfibers not wiping, but rather blotting i guess is what you would call it
Looks like you have it started in the right direction. one of the things you need to do with every job is decide how for it is worth taking. how much more effort do you need to put into it to get it where it needs to be, and are you willing to do that, and do you have the tools to accomplish the desired results.
It is hard to tell from the pics here, but one thign to consider is that a finish neglected this long may habve issues that are beyond the DA's ability to correct.
I think it may be that it has been neglected for so long it is something hard to correct
give us a little more insight into your process with the #80 and the yellow pad. My guess is that if you take several cuts at it with the #80, you will see some improvement.
I tried several passes with the 80... but it didn't even look like it helped...
also .. absolutely no issue with using a QD after the sealant.. as mentioned above, it is a normal process that most of us do, and can actually make the paint look even better, if using a product with those abilities.
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By the way I tried out 09 and 80 on my truck today, which recently just got some very small swirls, they seemed to not go away after a few attempts of each product.
However I did use 09 80 and some 83 on my dad's black lexus which was very swirled. The 09 did minimal repair, but nowhere near where it needed to be. The 80 did remove some of the swirls however, there were still alot there. Another pass of 80 removed more but there were still some there. I tried 83 on a section and it removed alot more than 80 did in just one application. I noticed that the smaller test section I do the more swirls go away. How big of areas do you guys treat with the DA? I went back over the 83 area with 80 to remove the small micro marring, at the paint looks alot better, however it is not perfect. Some may be only repairable by a Rotary.
How much pressure should I be applying and how big of an area? I try to do 1 square foot but it seems like I start with that but as I move the DA my treatment area keeps getting bigger.
However I did use 09 80 and some 83 on my dad's black lexus which was very swirled. The 09 did minimal repair, but nowhere near where it needed to be. The 80 did remove some of the swirls however, there were still alot there. Another pass of 80 removed more but there were still some there. I tried 83 on a section and it removed alot more than 80 did in just one application. I noticed that the smaller test section I do the more swirls go away. How big of areas do you guys treat with the DA? I went back over the 83 area with 80 to remove the small micro marring, at the paint looks alot better, however it is not perfect. Some may be only repairable by a Rotary.
How much pressure should I be applying and how big of an area? I try to do 1 square foot but it seems like I start with that but as I move the DA my treatment area keeps getting bigger.