I was referring to the auto carwashes-- shou;d have been more specific.

Dont get me wrong-- I use the DIY one all the time for the pressure washer... I have my own, but sometimes in a hurry, it works fine...

 

not saying the diy carwashes are good for the conditioned water for the spot free rinse....but take warning to the high pressure, not that you will peel the paint off, but i have even seen it on this site where it has "chromed" others f150 fender emblems....the high pressure wash is a sand/dirt blaster powered by water rather than air....dirt sitting on the surface will be forced free and travel at high speed along with the water scratching the surface of the vehicles paint...not so much as to all out damage the paint, but for someone that visits this section it will be noticeable....the high pressure should be saved for the wheel wells and the like not the paint itself....anyone can claim i do it all the time and it does not happen to my truck, but i guess its like the orange peel thing, some can see it and other cant...

is this 8 way wax off to show what wax looks the best or has best protection??? what tests the protection? how well it beads??? i think the bench mark for the best protection can not be tested on water beading alone...this would have to be tested over a long period of time say two years or more on a red test panel (red typically fades the fastest). the test pannel would have to sit outside in the sun rain all the elements 365, then the pannel would be waxed 1 every 6 months...then at the end of 2 years or more you would have to have the color tested for fade, hardness of clear (has it still stayed a little soft or has it begun to dry and become brittle?) you might have to use some sort of computer to judge the color fade the naked eye may not be able to see the difference. some waxes protect with placing oils back into the finish, while others claim uv protection like a sunblock for your car, other claim 52 car washes and still bead....tighter water beads look neat but may not mean that it protects better.

if this is a 8 way wax of for the best depth, clarity, gloss, wetness, fillers/concealers what ever you want to describe it...i think that could come of this test, not sure how it beads will positivley show how well it "protects"

 

both really is what i was refering to, I'll admit it , I have run the truck through the tunnel, and use bays at times. the mustang NEVER sees a tunnel however the bays sometime, usually this is when were driving to a show and it needs a quick bath. I only mentioned this because, if you detail your own vehicle alot ( I do it because its relaxing to me, some ppl play golf ) you notice every scratch, chip etc. we drove the stang to nashville for the 40th, hit 5 inch of snow through ohio, by the time we got to nashville, i didnt know what color my car was, a bay was the only option and let me tell ya I dont know what chemicals they use but the car went from slick to OMG this isnt my car ( sure it looked clean ) but ... then spent the night getting it back into show quality

this was more of a reminder that all your hard can be quickly destroyed. and the expensive wax that may give you the greatest shine/depth may not be the "best" product to use

 

The test was just a quick little review/opinion of what I thought of each in terms of application, removal, and the final appearance. I know it's not technical or scientific at all. I agree, beading doesn't prove any worth in terms of durability. I just like my water to bead up on my paint, like a lot of other people. Jeff actually requested that I do it because he wanted to see what it'd look like so I decided to throw it in the mix.

 

are all of these waxes "carnuba"---meaning 100% carnuba, or are they carnuba blends. i think megs 26 is a blended wax dont know about 16 or the others...i know the Souverän™ is, and ps21 is (not used in this test)...but for other readers, you might update which waxes are carnuba and not blends...could be confussing to some when title is reads review of carnuba waxes...and some of the waxes may be carnuba based but not a true carnuba wax

 

this is gonna **** off some people and I apologize up front.

I read this section every day. II have been OCD maintaining my vehicles since I got my license 30 years ago- the difference is- in this section I am learning about newer products to use and the latest preferred methods. My proven dinosaur methods work, but I consider myself relatively new to some of the high tech products out there. I am always willing to learn about new products.
I can see why Thump would clean and clay with Dawn- to get any residual waxes off the surface so the test surface would be a fresh slate. Truth be told, when I apply wax on my vehicles, I dont strip the old wax off with any dish detergent. Maybe I should, but I am just ignorant of the benefits of doing so.

So I read this thread and think- no matter what Thump says- it is going to be his opinion of how he likes his products. Generally speaking, I look for opinions from all of you guys. How can anyone do a true scientific test that would be strictly fact based and be pertinent to all of the possible variables that our vehicles face such as geographic location, stored in a garage, and so on. Hell, I live near an airport, so I garage my truck 24/7- you should see the stuff that falls from the sky and accumulates on my white patio furniture...variables affect durability of the product.

In this type of thread, the bottom line for me is that I appreciate the time that the poster took to actually do the test and the write up afterwards. I find it beneficial to read his preferrences in this review.

I dont think that the technical aspect should be quite as closely scrutinized. Is it carnuba vs a carnuba blend...irrelevant. Bottom line how did Thump like the waxes when compared side by side- thats the reason to read this. That should give you a starting point for possibly selecting a new product to try.

 

Very, very, very, good post. Even though its before noon, you get

 

WOW, you would think the guy posted 6 different ways to remove your own gall blader and suggested gasoline as an antiseptic.

 

Thanks Les.

What?

 

Very well put, Les. I was thinking the same, but didnt feel like actually writing it all out. That said, I am going to place my seal approval (granted, it isnt worth much from me... I bet RP agrees though) on your post.

FWIW, unless there is some secret involving the Megs lineup, #26 AND #16 are NOT mixed with synthetic. However, good luck finding a wax that is truly 100% carnauba-- most of them are blended with stuff that makes them user friendly... thats where the MSDS comes in handy...

 

sorry, but i cant agree with that, meaning that wax used in the product is carnuba and carnuba only, no filler waxes added to the mix...

quotes all taken from other sites...


MEGUIAR #26 HI-TECH YELLOW WAX...A blend of premium yellow Carnauba wax, polymers and other waxes to provide maximum high gloss protection while enhancing depth of color. Will not streak or chalk on any previously cleaned and polished finishes. Available in paste or liquid.


P21S 100% Carnauba Wax is compatible with conventional and scratch-resistant clear coats and will not leave white stains on most plastics and rubber.


Pinnacle Souverän™ is also a 100% carnuba wax...


sorry, dont start jumping on sides, but reading the post it says carnuba wax test...several posters are keeping watch as to which ones will be more durable. i just bring up the point that all that are tested are not carnuba waxes they are just a wax that could have little to no carnuba in it at all, you should throw some nxt on there too its as close to p21s as #26 is as being a carnuba wax. i also brought up that to some that read this thread that looking at beading my not mean better protection...

that is all that is meant by it, it does not matter who posted it or what the oringinal intent is

earlier in the week i thought this was taken care of, i guess not, i post about the thread people post about my post....no matter what i say to several it will be wrong before the first word comes out

like i said earlier if this is test about how it visually looks than this is a great comparison, if its about how it beads two weeks or a month later, another great thread, but one about how "carnubas" stack up to each other---not so sure, about durabillity once again not sure that can be shown with this thread....peolpe who now are detailers only 4 months ago were on a---topia asking about a first machine are now on here questioning my post...give it up-241987.

this is the flip side of the coin for the lay person that is going to drop his hard earned dime on some wax...he should buy it for how it looks on the finish not how well it beads...most people dont read entire threads or even post...they see a pretty pic with nice beads and think that is wax for him when in reallity it could be all wrong for his application



to see the same 5 guys posting the same thing patting eachother on the back with out showing the possible downside is not constructive and not very open to public discussion.

 

troberts, try to use more punctuation. i just got a headache trying to figure out all of the run-on sentences.

also, the op clearly stated in his first post that these were his opinions and what he was testing for.

"Well guys, I told you I'd give you my opinion about these waxes. I'm going to start out by saying that this only my opinion and it's only my opinion about the application, removal, appearance of these waxes. I cannot say how durable they will be as only time will tell. However, I am planning on taking pictures of them every week from today after a wash as well as how they are beading up. Water beading isn't a sign of durability, but it's nice to have, IMO. I will make mention of their durability according to my past experience with some of these waxes and other's opinion's. I will still post up every week and post my thoughts about each waxes durability. Anyways, onto the review ... "


i guess i don't see why you're knocking down this guys test when he put a lot of time and effort in trying to compare waxes for people who don't go have 8 different lsp's. just my opinion, but maybe i read your post in a different context than it was meant.

 

CONTINUED

 

... Rather than writing some final notes, I am going to go try to wire some more goodies in my truck.

 

I really think everyone should just get back on topic now before this thread gets out of hand. I think if you can't offer a comment or opinion based on the original post that's constructive in some way. Anything unrelated to the actual test performed or the steps leading up to the test should be kept to yourself or shared with a specific person through PMs. Let's keep things positive and on track.