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From: The Bluegrass State
Originally Posted by Stumps
He can use a color match touch up to fill the deep scratches and then smooth it out with the wet sanding.
It'll be tough and likely will not turn out as nicely as what a body shop will do for him but, yes... the fill and sand method could be done. I've used it oodles of times on rock chips and such. It's time consuming but, it could be done. My worry is that the angles at which the scratches appear (like around the back corner there near the exhaust) will be TOUGH to disguise in the right light.
I'm not saying that it *cannot* be done but, I am saying that using 2000 grit alone to remove a scratch that is nearly down to (or down to) the metal will not solve the problem. That's all...
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From: Aurora Texas
I can no longer respond to this thread as I just leaped from our 22 story office bld.
Can we close this thread?
Sometimes I am baffled why people argue with professional detailers and those who also have over 22K posts.
Can we close this thread?
Sometimes I am baffled why people argue with professional detailers and those who also have over 22K posts.
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From: Rain Pit, Oregon
Originally Posted by RockPick
The point that you neglected to pull out of my long-winded post was that when the scratch is THROUGH the CLEAR AND COLOR coats, that there is **NO** way to remove it using abrasive methods.
Think about it... it's all the way down to metal or the base coat. How do you remove it with 2000, 1500, hell... 4000 grit without burning all the way through the paint around the area of the scratch down to the metal? Explain that one and I will back off of the subject (mind you, a respray can't be used in place).
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if that's the scratch, the bottom of the V is where you're going to have to sand down to, correct? Let's just say for the sake of arguement here that his scratches are, at the bottom of that V, on bare metal. Explain how we 'remove' the scratch other than taking everything around it - the area in parenthesis - down to metal:
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You can't.
That was my point.
Wetsanding a car for the purpose of getting the clearcoat flat is perfectly normal, used all the time in detailing and in body work, and is the answer to some problems but, in this case where the scratches are down to basically metal, it is *not* the solution.
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Think about it... it's all the way down to metal or the base coat. How do you remove it with 2000, 1500, hell... 4000 grit without burning all the way through the paint around the area of the scratch down to the metal? Explain that one and I will back off of the subject (mind you, a respray can't be used in place).
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if that's the scratch, the bottom of the V is where you're going to have to sand down to, correct? Let's just say for the sake of arguement here that his scratches are, at the bottom of that V, on bare metal. Explain how we 'remove' the scratch other than taking everything around it - the area in parenthesis - down to metal:
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You can't.
That was my point.
Wetsanding a car for the purpose of getting the clearcoat flat is perfectly normal, used all the time in detailing and in body work, and is the answer to some problems but, in this case where the scratches are down to basically metal, it is *not* the solution.
-RP-
It is obvious that if something is through the paint sanding is not going to fix it.
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Originally Posted by RollingRock
Sometimes I am baffled why people argue with professional detailers and those who also have over 22K posts.
I think he may know a couple of things about detailing but is far and away from being the 'know it all' of the profession. I think that guy is generally long-winded in making a very short point - probably a problem of his - but, he means well.
What I don't think he means is to be abrasive and come off as a *****. I think he was just saying that it's tough to sand out a scratch that cannot be sanded out without removing all the paint around it. That's all. He really was calm about it and didn't mean to ruffle any feathers - although, it may have come out that way.
If it did come out that way, he's sorry.
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Originally Posted by RollingRock
I can no longer respond to this thread as I just leaped from our 22 story office bld.
Can we close this thread?
Sometimes I am baffled why people argue with professional detailers and those who also have over 22K posts.
Can we close this thread?
Sometimes I am baffled why people argue with professional detailers and those who also have over 22K posts.
Obviously you don’t know enough to know that color sanding a COMPLETE vehicle with 2,000 is common practice.
You are nothing to me, understand?
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Originally Posted by Dr. Franko
It is obvious that if something is through the paint sanding is not going to fix it.
The scratches, to me, look as though they're down to basecoat and, as such, no amount of sanding, compounding, urinating, tatertot tossing or electrical engineering work will make them go away...
God. I need a nap.
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Originally Posted by Dr. Franko
Who do you think you are telling people they can't have a discussion because you know best?
Obviously you don’t know enough to know that color sanding a COMPLETE vehicle with 2,000 is common practice.
You are nothing to me, understand?
Obviously you don’t know enough to know that color sanding a COMPLETE vehicle with 2,000 is common practice.
You are nothing to me, understand?
Let's all settle down, enjoy a slurpee beverage, and talk about our high school sports days...
Little known fact -- I'm a fat ***. I played soccer in HS (many tens of pounds ago). I was heavily recruited by several DII colleges and ended up playing for a couple of weeks - until getting cut -- at a DI AA college in Illinois. You guys?
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Originally Posted by RockPick
Easy partner. Same to you Rollin'Rocker.
Let's all settle down, enjoy a slurpee beverage, and talk about our high school sports days...
Little known fact -- I'm a fat ***. I played soccer in HS (many tens of pounds ago). I was heavily recruited by several DII colleges and ended up playing for a couple of weeks - until getting cut -- at a DI AA college in Illinois. You guys?
Let's all settle down, enjoy a slurpee beverage, and talk about our high school sports days...
Little known fact -- I'm a fat ***. I played soccer in HS (many tens of pounds ago). I was heavily recruited by several DII colleges and ended up playing for a couple of weeks - until getting cut -- at a DI AA college in Illinois. You guys?
I enjoy lifting and boxing but was no where near good enough at any sport to get recruited in school.
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From: Aurora Texas
Originally Posted by Dr. Franko
Who do you think you are telling people they can't have a discussion because you know best?
Obviously you don’t know enough to know that color sanding a COMPLETE vehicle with 2,000 is common practice.
You are nothing to me, understand?
Obviously you don’t know enough to know that color sanding a COMPLETE vehicle with 2,000 is common practice.
You are nothing to me, understand?
I find it strange that there a few newcomers here willing to help others and they jump right to wetsanding as the only alternative to fixing problems.
My post wasn't attacking you even though you chose to attack me which is a direct violation of the forum policy. My comment was an observation in which you took personally.
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From: Aurora Texas
Originally Posted by Zaairman
So, my DA is on its way here... 
Going to rent it out to F-150Sport for 500 perday but shhhh he doesn't know that yet.
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Originally Posted by RollingRock
Does it pain you Zaairman that I have TWO now?
Going to rent it out to F-150Sport for 500 perday but shhhh he doesn't know that yet.
Going to rent it out to F-150Sport for 500 perday but shhhh he doesn't know that yet.
It pains me.....
But yes, you seem to be correct that the scratch is through the clear all the way down into the paint as well
