Plastic vs. spray on?????
Originally Posted by TruckGasm
No you can't, which is good for the spray-on brands but bad for DualLiner.

When I sell or trade in my truck, someone else will end up buying a new dualliner for it (once I am finished telling them about it). +1 sell for dualliner AND whoever else they happen to tell about (free marketing/advertisement for dualliner).
If I end up selling my dualliner, that means I am going to buy another one (+1 sell for dualliner) AND the person who buys my dualliner will love it and end up telling more and more people about it.
The bad thing for the spray in industry is once it is in there, it is in there...there is nothing more to it.
Off just one guy buying the dualliner (Me) they will end up selling an easy 2 + and get more advertising/marketing to go around.
My Dad is already to order one after seeing mine, so that is one sell there!
Well, that's nice. However, if DualLiner is as successful as spray-on bedliners, you may see DualLiners stacked up like these drop-ins that sit in the back of my shop. By the way, if you want one of these, come on by my shop and I'll give you one. Then you'll only have to buy a rubber mat and you'll have sort of a makeshift DualLiner.
As mentioned previously, I'm sure DualLiner will have a place in the market. I sell truck accessories including other types of bedliners. If I have a customer who wants a DualLiner, I won't hesitate to sell one.

Bedmats typically run less than $100
As mentioned previously, I'm sure DualLiner will have a place in the market. I sell truck accessories including other types of bedliners. If I have a customer who wants a DualLiner, I won't hesitate to sell one.

Bedmats typically run less than $100
Last edited by TruckGasm; May 2, 2007 at 05:50 PM.
Pendaliner makes a skid resistor model: here
I bought a Ford bed mat and plastic tail gate protector. I haven't mounted the tailgate piece yet but I just bought some spongy mesh shelf liner from Wal-Mart to put underneath so the plastic will not damage the paint. If I were going to put a drop-in in I would probably line the bed with the shelf liner. The 2 things I don't like about spray-ins is the cost and the fact that your paint is destroyed in prep for the spray job. Why isn't there some kind of bonding agent that you can spray on as a primer for the top coat?
I bought a Ford bed mat and plastic tail gate protector. I haven't mounted the tailgate piece yet but I just bought some spongy mesh shelf liner from Wal-Mart to put underneath so the plastic will not damage the paint. If I were going to put a drop-in in I would probably line the bed with the shelf liner. The 2 things I don't like about spray-ins is the cost and the fact that your paint is destroyed in prep for the spray job. Why isn't there some kind of bonding agent that you can spray on as a primer for the top coat?
Originally Posted by jjmIII
Sorry, I didn't mean for it to sound so harsh.
You don't even want to hear the list of stupid stuff I've done over the years!
You don't even want to hear the list of stupid stuff I've done over the years!
Originally Posted by TruckGasm
However, if DualLiner is as successful as spray-on bedliners, you may see DualLiners stacked up like these drop-ins that sit in the back of my shop.
Glad to hear you will sell DualLiners when people start asking - the Roush F150 install appears this Sunday on the PowerBlock!!! And then the commercials will start running.
By the way everyone, the videos are up on our website - Trucks! install, the interview I did on World of Trucks, and the commercial "Apples to Apples".
PS: A makeshift DualLiner is like comparing DupliColor to Line-X - no contest.
I wouldn't waste my money on any drop in plastic liner. I had a Rhino liner in my 97 and loved it, very tough and very durable held up great! I now have an 05 SC that will be getting a Rhino liner thursday for $375 on liner i'll ever buy!
Originally Posted by darkblue
The 2 things I don't like about spray-ins is the cost and the fact that your paint is destroyed in prep for the spray job. Why isn't there some kind of bonding agent that you can spray on as a primer for the top coat?
A spray on liner is far better tahn any drop in. Plus a drop in can always fly out of the bed at high speeds on a very windy day. Seen a video once where a drop in flew out the back of a pickup several years ago.
hmustang, this is one of those funny things with spray in liners - lots of people say what you said - spray in liners are far better than... but they never give a reason or place that the spray in is better. Maybe for your usage they are better, maybe you are defending a purchase choice, maybe... but how can anyone tell?
Why not tell us your usage and why you think it is better? I know many people that would never own each type of bedliner, all for their own reasons. Most of those people will defend their choice quite well - based on the strengths or weaknesses of a specific product.
As an example, a close friend of mine is a landscape contractor. She uses a load-handler to unload and has loads dumped into the bed regularly. She NEEDS - dent protection and slippery is better for the load handler. So, spray is a waste for her, while most are slippery enough, they offer minimal dent protection. DualLiner - ZeroSkid mat, am I nuts? A basic drop in is her bedliner of choice - dent protection and slippery.
You are not the first guy I have suggested this to, not the last, and definitely not picking on you - just asking you to identify why a spray in would be your bedliner of choice.
By the way, over the weekend I talked to a farmer - of his 6 trucks, the lowest mileage (all bought new) was around 150,000. He thinks any bedliner is worthless. When the bed is beat enough, he buys a replacement from the boneyard.
Why not tell us your usage and why you think it is better? I know many people that would never own each type of bedliner, all for their own reasons. Most of those people will defend their choice quite well - based on the strengths or weaknesses of a specific product.
As an example, a close friend of mine is a landscape contractor. She uses a load-handler to unload and has loads dumped into the bed regularly. She NEEDS - dent protection and slippery is better for the load handler. So, spray is a waste for her, while most are slippery enough, they offer minimal dent protection. DualLiner - ZeroSkid mat, am I nuts? A basic drop in is her bedliner of choice - dent protection and slippery.
You are not the first guy I have suggested this to, not the last, and definitely not picking on you - just asking you to identify why a spray in would be your bedliner of choice.
By the way, over the weekend I talked to a farmer - of his 6 trucks, the lowest mileage (all bought new) was around 150,000. He thinks any bedliner is worthless. When the bed is beat enough, he buys a replacement from the boneyard.
Spray ins are betters because:
1. NO CHANCE OF RUST
2. Add resale value to your truck
3. look A LOT beter then a cheapo drop in
4. Choice of colors
5. UV protected
6. Line-x for sure offers a nationwide warrenty
7. Will outlast your truck
8. wont dent
9. slip resistant,more so than plastic ones (rubber grips better then plastic)
10. Wont crack
11. Wont rip
12. Wont tear
13. Wont peel up when you try to slide something in
there are probably more but there is 13 reasons why spray in is better then drop in.
1. NO CHANCE OF RUST
2. Add resale value to your truck
3. look A LOT beter then a cheapo drop in
4. Choice of colors
5. UV protected
6. Line-x for sure offers a nationwide warrenty
7. Will outlast your truck
8. wont dent
9. slip resistant,more so than plastic ones (rubber grips better then plastic)
10. Wont crack
11. Wont rip
12. Wont tear
13. Wont peel up when you try to slide something in
there are probably more but there is 13 reasons why spray in is better then drop in.
Most of those "reasons" are gross over statements (propagated by some spray companies) and not related to YOUR usage, Super. For instance, color match maybe be important to you, so your reason would be you can get it in "red" - the fact you can get it in other colors does not affect you.
And, grouping all spray ins into one class is like lumping Yugos into a class with a Lotus... they both have four wheels and can get you from place to place. You can spray Herculiner and Duplicolor - does that make them the same as Line-X? No.
So, here's a reinteration of your list adding some real facts-
1. NO CHANCE OF RUST - unless you damage the spray in- I have done this personally. Also happens when the install isn't done well (yeah, happened to me too).
2. Add resale value to your truck - actually, all bedliners do. You will get a small adder for "bedliner" - KBB does not differentiate between styles and neither do most dealers.
3. look A LOT beter then a cheapo drop in - opinion, while I agree, this is opinion.
4. Choice of colors - might be good for you, doesn't matter to many people... most spray ins are black. There is one drop in liner manufacturer that does colors, although I don't know the name.
5. UV protected - yeah, right. In 6 months, most have faded to dark gray - few tout their UV resistance beyond marketing positions - exception is Line-X Xtra, which has limited track record, it's a new product. The others all recommend you "treat" the bedliner with a chemical process to restore the color.
6. Line-x for sure offers a nationwide warrenty - as does Rhino. Oh, and DualLiner. DualLiner's is for the life of the bedliner, not the original purchaser. All three are defects and workmanship warranties, like everyone else's shorter warranties.
7. Will outlast your truck - ? depends on your usage - again, how do you use your truck. I did an install on Xtreme 4x4, putting a DualLiner over a 6 month old spray in. I've seen 20 year old trucks that the bed looked better on - dents, peeling, tears, you name the damage, it was there... and talk about faded!
8. wont dent - In who's world? Sprays don't give you any real dent protection. They don't even try to advertise that they do.
9. slip resistant,more so than plastic ones (rubber grips better then plastic) - Slightly, but not much. Although, your comment is why the DualLiner is much better, it has a rubber floor... the spray ins are not rubber, they are polyurethanes and polyureas - not rubber and not nearly the traction of rubber. The spray guys will tell you that they can spray more texture for improved traction.
10. Wont crack - some won't, others will. Relative to hundreds of variables.
11. Wont rip - and a drop in would? But yes, they do. Again, my personal experience includes ripping, tearing and peeling.
12. Wont tear - yeah, right.
13. Wont peel up when you try to slide something in - yeah, right.
Again, in your experiences and your usages, these things may not be a problem. But what are YOUR usages and your experiences? I can search the web and find all sorts of lists as to why this or that is "better". My question is always better for WHAT?
So, as I asked in my previous post, don't just regurgitate the marketing information (including mine). Tell us why you made your choice and how you use your truck. As I said, a close friend of mine would never buy a DualLiner because of her usage.
I ask again, why don't you tell us about YOUR usage? Just seems very funny that most (not all) guys that defend their spray in won't say how they use it.
And, grouping all spray ins into one class is like lumping Yugos into a class with a Lotus... they both have four wheels and can get you from place to place. You can spray Herculiner and Duplicolor - does that make them the same as Line-X? No.
So, here's a reinteration of your list adding some real facts-
1. NO CHANCE OF RUST - unless you damage the spray in- I have done this personally. Also happens when the install isn't done well (yeah, happened to me too).
2. Add resale value to your truck - actually, all bedliners do. You will get a small adder for "bedliner" - KBB does not differentiate between styles and neither do most dealers.
3. look A LOT beter then a cheapo drop in - opinion, while I agree, this is opinion.
4. Choice of colors - might be good for you, doesn't matter to many people... most spray ins are black. There is one drop in liner manufacturer that does colors, although I don't know the name.
5. UV protected - yeah, right. In 6 months, most have faded to dark gray - few tout their UV resistance beyond marketing positions - exception is Line-X Xtra, which has limited track record, it's a new product. The others all recommend you "treat" the bedliner with a chemical process to restore the color.
6. Line-x for sure offers a nationwide warrenty - as does Rhino. Oh, and DualLiner. DualLiner's is for the life of the bedliner, not the original purchaser. All three are defects and workmanship warranties, like everyone else's shorter warranties.
7. Will outlast your truck - ? depends on your usage - again, how do you use your truck. I did an install on Xtreme 4x4, putting a DualLiner over a 6 month old spray in. I've seen 20 year old trucks that the bed looked better on - dents, peeling, tears, you name the damage, it was there... and talk about faded!
8. wont dent - In who's world? Sprays don't give you any real dent protection. They don't even try to advertise that they do.
9. slip resistant,more so than plastic ones (rubber grips better then plastic) - Slightly, but not much. Although, your comment is why the DualLiner is much better, it has a rubber floor... the spray ins are not rubber, they are polyurethanes and polyureas - not rubber and not nearly the traction of rubber. The spray guys will tell you that they can spray more texture for improved traction.
10. Wont crack - some won't, others will. Relative to hundreds of variables.
11. Wont rip - and a drop in would? But yes, they do. Again, my personal experience includes ripping, tearing and peeling.
12. Wont tear - yeah, right.
13. Wont peel up when you try to slide something in - yeah, right.
Again, in your experiences and your usages, these things may not be a problem. But what are YOUR usages and your experiences? I can search the web and find all sorts of lists as to why this or that is "better". My question is always better for WHAT?
So, as I asked in my previous post, don't just regurgitate the marketing information (including mine). Tell us why you made your choice and how you use your truck. As I said, a close friend of mine would never buy a DualLiner because of her usage.
I ask again, why don't you tell us about YOUR usage? Just seems very funny that most (not all) guys that defend their spray in won't say how they use it.
Bryndon, For one I don't have a bedliner in my truck I'm going by what I have heard and read on here that spray ins are far better than drop ins. Plus with a drop in there is the chance it could fly out of the bed. As I seen a video of one flying out on one of them TV shows that show crazy stuff some yerars back. I'm more of old school/real man who uses the bed of the truck without a bedliner.
Thanks for the reply hmustang! I see where you are coming from.
I have no love for drop ins, for all the "normal" reasons. The flying out of the bed thing is exagerrated - if they are installed correctly, an over the rail drop in won't fly out (under the rail can't). Installed incorrectly (without fasteners) they can and do. That said, there's a bunch of other reasons I would never use one.
Just a suggestion, before you do a spray in - look at the DualLiner. A bunch of guys from here have them and like them. I run the company, so I may have a stronger opinion than many. If you search for other posts I've done, you can see how I ended up working here - and the reasons I think it's the best bedliner out there.
I lived through the early "IBM compatible" years selling computers... I see the same thing here with a lot of spray in guys - I bought an "IBM"... why? It's an IBM. That's why I ask people how they plan to use their truck - what is perfect for my purpose may not be perfect for yours.
I have no love for drop ins, for all the "normal" reasons. The flying out of the bed thing is exagerrated - if they are installed correctly, an over the rail drop in won't fly out (under the rail can't). Installed incorrectly (without fasteners) they can and do. That said, there's a bunch of other reasons I would never use one.
Just a suggestion, before you do a spray in - look at the DualLiner. A bunch of guys from here have them and like them. I run the company, so I may have a stronger opinion than many. If you search for other posts I've done, you can see how I ended up working here - and the reasons I think it's the best bedliner out there.
I lived through the early "IBM compatible" years selling computers... I see the same thing here with a lot of spray in guys - I bought an "IBM"... why? It's an IBM. That's why I ask people how they plan to use their truck - what is perfect for my purpose may not be perfect for yours.


