LINE-X Xtra
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No problem, Kyle, I'll send a PM.
Xtra is applied like a topcoat, but actually migrates into the bedliner. You can read more about it at www.linexfortworthtexas.com
I FINALLY saw a Superliner at a Costco this past weekend. I believe it is similar to Speedliner. It was black, but was not glossy and did not sparkle in the sun. I need to start carrying a camera in the car. A few weeks ago, I saw a Rhino color match. It looked aweful. The paint was peeling off on the tailgate. Again, should of had a camera!
Xtra is applied like a topcoat, but actually migrates into the bedliner. You can read more about it at www.linexfortworthtexas.com
I FINALLY saw a Superliner at a Costco this past weekend. I believe it is similar to Speedliner. It was black, but was not glossy and did not sparkle in the sun. I need to start carrying a camera in the car. A few weeks ago, I saw a Rhino color match. It looked aweful. The paint was peeling off on the tailgate. Again, should of had a camera!
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SuperLiner and Speedliner are very similar, the only way to really tell the difference is by colors which are different assuming the liner was colored with a "factory" pigment and not paint for a customer color. Keep in mind that Super and Speedliner when custom colored are matched all the way through, not a topcoat and it rarely costs more than about $50 extra. I think this is better because it eliminates scrap-off of the color meaning anyone including guys who "use" the bed can have a color match.
As for gloss thats usually dependant on 2 things, how the product was applied, as it makes a big difference and if the liner is clean. I have rarely seen a SuperLiner or Speedliner that couldn't be returned to original luster with a stiff brush and some 409, Greaselightning or any other general duty cleaner/degreaser.
Don't get me wrong.... I like Line-X it would be an easy 2nd. choice for me if I were getting a spray-in installed. I love the warranty, frankly I don't know why everyone isn't duplicating that! Problem is that they usually cost a lot more than me...lol. And the local here just apparently stinks at it because the liners peel from the corners, etc. Just did a horse trailer for a guy who had it done and the whole floor peeled up as one piece... He didn't bother to go back and use his warranty. I have come to the conclusion that the "African Beast" is just crap... they really need to pull some cash from the advertising budget and do a little product research... There is a guy not far from here that sprays another liner and literally has on his truck "Old Rhino's don't die... They just fade away". I about died when I saw that I laughed so hard.
As for gloss thats usually dependant on 2 things, how the product was applied, as it makes a big difference and if the liner is clean. I have rarely seen a SuperLiner or Speedliner that couldn't be returned to original luster with a stiff brush and some 409, Greaselightning or any other general duty cleaner/degreaser.
Don't get me wrong.... I like Line-X it would be an easy 2nd. choice for me if I were getting a spray-in installed. I love the warranty, frankly I don't know why everyone isn't duplicating that! Problem is that they usually cost a lot more than me...lol. And the local here just apparently stinks at it because the liners peel from the corners, etc. Just did a horse trailer for a guy who had it done and the whole floor peeled up as one piece... He didn't bother to go back and use his warranty. I have come to the conclusion that the "African Beast" is just crap... they really need to pull some cash from the advertising budget and do a little product research... There is a guy not far from here that sprays another liner and literally has on his truck "Old Rhino's don't die... They just fade away". I about died when I saw that I laughed so hard.
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I'm a LINE-X dealer.
LINE-X and Rhino differ quite a bit. The biggest difference is that LINE-X contains polyurea and Rhino does not. Polyurea enhances the bedliner’s properties: 1. LINE-X's temperature tolerance is 250 degrees and Rhino's is 175. As the temperature of the bed approaches the temp tolerance, it loses its strength. 2. Polyurea keeps moisture out of the solution thus making a more dense and solid liner. 3. Polyurea also makes for a tougher liner. The tear strength of LINE-X is 304 pounds per linear inch (pli). Rhino is 145 pli. 4. Polyurea sets up very fast, that's one reason why LINE-X goes on with heat and high pressure. LINE-X dries in about 4 seconds, so you get an even application throughout the bed. Rhino takes a minute or so to even gel, an hour or so to dry. Before it gels, gravity can pull the liner from the top ridges in to the low valleys. Rhino’s Tuff Stuff goes on cold/low pressure and thus has that “cottage cheese” or “rain on the windshield” look. LINE-X’s high heat/high pressure system gives it a very nice finished and more consistently applied texture, it’s sort of like an orange peel. The dealer can vary the texture from smooth to very rough. 5. Polyurea makes the liner more chemical resistant, especially to organic oils and solvents. Polyurethane has desirable properties: 1. Provides very good adhesion and 2. Polyurethane has more than double the abrasion resistance of polyurea.
LINE-X offers a written nationwide lifetime warranty. Rhino’s warranty is only with the dealer that sprayed it.
Speedliner (and Superliner) are brushable polyurea paints (resin is aromatic diamine). They are solvent based (all products contain ethyl acetate which is exremely flammable and the vapors are explosive. Rhino and LINE-X contain no solvents.) Polyurea does not have good adhesion properties like polyurethane. Therefore, both companies must use an adhesive primer first in order for the bedliner to stick to the bed. The bedliner product is produced by mixing one gallon of resin to one quart of activator. Then, you can paint it on, roll it on, or use a hopper gun. The activator, which contains isocyanate, mixes with the resin which forms the polyurea. Then, the solvent must polymerize and leave just the polyurea. In contrast, LINE-X works like this: The (heated) resin and isocyanate move through a high pressure system and actually mix together right outside the spraygun. The spray gun makes the chemicals spin together in the air. It lands on the bed and dries in about 4 seconds.
OK, I'm tired of typing. I could go on and on. Go ahead and flame me Kyle.
LINE-X and Rhino differ quite a bit. The biggest difference is that LINE-X contains polyurea and Rhino does not. Polyurea enhances the bedliner’s properties: 1. LINE-X's temperature tolerance is 250 degrees and Rhino's is 175. As the temperature of the bed approaches the temp tolerance, it loses its strength. 2. Polyurea keeps moisture out of the solution thus making a more dense and solid liner. 3. Polyurea also makes for a tougher liner. The tear strength of LINE-X is 304 pounds per linear inch (pli). Rhino is 145 pli. 4. Polyurea sets up very fast, that's one reason why LINE-X goes on with heat and high pressure. LINE-X dries in about 4 seconds, so you get an even application throughout the bed. Rhino takes a minute or so to even gel, an hour or so to dry. Before it gels, gravity can pull the liner from the top ridges in to the low valleys. Rhino’s Tuff Stuff goes on cold/low pressure and thus has that “cottage cheese” or “rain on the windshield” look. LINE-X’s high heat/high pressure system gives it a very nice finished and more consistently applied texture, it’s sort of like an orange peel. The dealer can vary the texture from smooth to very rough. 5. Polyurea makes the liner more chemical resistant, especially to organic oils and solvents. Polyurethane has desirable properties: 1. Provides very good adhesion and 2. Polyurethane has more than double the abrasion resistance of polyurea.
LINE-X offers a written nationwide lifetime warranty. Rhino’s warranty is only with the dealer that sprayed it.
Speedliner (and Superliner) are brushable polyurea paints (resin is aromatic diamine). They are solvent based (all products contain ethyl acetate which is exremely flammable and the vapors are explosive. Rhino and LINE-X contain no solvents.) Polyurea does not have good adhesion properties like polyurethane. Therefore, both companies must use an adhesive primer first in order for the bedliner to stick to the bed. The bedliner product is produced by mixing one gallon of resin to one quart of activator. Then, you can paint it on, roll it on, or use a hopper gun. The activator, which contains isocyanate, mixes with the resin which forms the polyurea. Then, the solvent must polymerize and leave just the polyurea. In contrast, LINE-X works like this: The (heated) resin and isocyanate move through a high pressure system and actually mix together right outside the spraygun. The spray gun makes the chemicals spin together in the air. It lands on the bed and dries in about 4 seconds.
OK, I'm tired of typing. I could go on and on. Go ahead and flame me Kyle.
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Originally Posted by TruckGasm
I'm a LINE-X dealer.
LINE-X and Rhino differ quite a bit. The biggest difference is that LINE-X contains polyurea and Rhino does not. Polyurea enhances the bedliner’s properties: 1. LINE-X's temperature tolerance is 250 degrees and Rhino's is 175. As the temperature of the bed approaches the temp tolerance, it loses its strength. 2. Polyurea keeps moisture out of the solution thus making a more dense and solid liner. 3. Polyurea also makes for a tougher liner. The tear strength of LINE-X is 304 pounds per linear inch (pli). Rhino is 145 pli. 4. Polyurea sets up very fast, that's one reason why LINE-X goes on with heat and high pressure. LINE-X dries in about 4 seconds, so you get an even application throughout the bed. Rhino takes a minute or so to even gel, an hour or so to dry. Before it gels, gravity can pull the liner from the top ridges in to the low valleys. Rhino’s Tuff Stuff goes on cold/low pressure and thus has that “cottage cheese” or “rain on the windshield” look. LINE-X’s high heat/high pressure system gives it a very nice finished and more consistently applied texture, it’s sort of like an orange peel. The dealer can vary the texture from smooth to very rough. 5. Polyurea makes the liner more chemical resistant, especially to organic oils and solvents. Polyurethane has desirable properties: 1. Provides very good adhesion and 2. Polyurethane has more than double the abraison resistance of polyurea.
LINE-X offers a written nationwide lifetime warranty. Rhino’s warranty is only with the dealer that sprayed it.
Speedliner (and Superliner) are brushable polyurea paints (resin is aromatic diamine). They are solvent based (all products contain ethyl acetate which is exremely flammable and the vapors are explosive. Rhino and LINE-X contain no solvents.) Polyurea does not have good adhesion properties like polyurethane. Therefore, both companies must use an adhesive primer first in order for the bedliner to stick to the bed. The bedliner product is produced by mixing one gallon of resin to one quart of activator. Then, you can paint it on, roll it on, or use a hopper gun. The activator, which contains isocyanate, mixes with the resin which forms the polyurea. Then, the solvent must polymerize and leave just the polyurea. In contrast, LINE-X works like this: The (heated) resin and isocyanate move through a high pressure system and actually mix together right outside the spraygun. The spray gun make the chemicals spin together in the air. It lands on the bed and dries in about 4 seconds.
OK, I'm tired of typing. I could go on and on. Go ahead and flame me Kyle.
LINE-X and Rhino differ quite a bit. The biggest difference is that LINE-X contains polyurea and Rhino does not. Polyurea enhances the bedliner’s properties: 1. LINE-X's temperature tolerance is 250 degrees and Rhino's is 175. As the temperature of the bed approaches the temp tolerance, it loses its strength. 2. Polyurea keeps moisture out of the solution thus making a more dense and solid liner. 3. Polyurea also makes for a tougher liner. The tear strength of LINE-X is 304 pounds per linear inch (pli). Rhino is 145 pli. 4. Polyurea sets up very fast, that's one reason why LINE-X goes on with heat and high pressure. LINE-X dries in about 4 seconds, so you get an even application throughout the bed. Rhino takes a minute or so to even gel, an hour or so to dry. Before it gels, gravity can pull the liner from the top ridges in to the low valleys. Rhino’s Tuff Stuff goes on cold/low pressure and thus has that “cottage cheese” or “rain on the windshield” look. LINE-X’s high heat/high pressure system gives it a very nice finished and more consistently applied texture, it’s sort of like an orange peel. The dealer can vary the texture from smooth to very rough. 5. Polyurea makes the liner more chemical resistant, especially to organic oils and solvents. Polyurethane has desirable properties: 1. Provides very good adhesion and 2. Polyurethane has more than double the abraison resistance of polyurea.
LINE-X offers a written nationwide lifetime warranty. Rhino’s warranty is only with the dealer that sprayed it.
Speedliner (and Superliner) are brushable polyurea paints (resin is aromatic diamine). They are solvent based (all products contain ethyl acetate which is exremely flammable and the vapors are explosive. Rhino and LINE-X contain no solvents.) Polyurea does not have good adhesion properties like polyurethane. Therefore, both companies must use an adhesive primer first in order for the bedliner to stick to the bed. The bedliner product is produced by mixing one gallon of resin to one quart of activator. Then, you can paint it on, roll it on, or use a hopper gun. The activator, which contains isocyanate, mixes with the resin which forms the polyurea. Then, the solvent must polymerize and leave just the polyurea. In contrast, LINE-X works like this: The (heated) resin and isocyanate move through a high pressure system and actually mix together right outside the spraygun. The spray gun make the chemicals spin together in the air. It lands on the bed and dries in about 4 seconds.
OK, I'm tired of typing. I could go on and on. Go ahead and flame me Kyle.
He also said that the Line-x liner is sprayed on thin (not even 1/4 inch) where as the Rhino Tough Stuff is sprayed on over 3/8 inch thick...
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BTW, there are those who get mad because they think I'm trying to "push" my product. I'm really not, I'm providing information that most people don't have or have not spent the time researching the industry. The chances of me getting business from this forum is slim to none, it's not like I can ship a truck bedliner across the US.
Let me know if you have any questions.
Look at this Rhino's texture, it looks like "rain on the windshield":
Look at the LINE-X texture, it looks like an orange peel:
Another LINE-X pic, more light:
Let me know if you have any questions.
Look at this Rhino's texture, it looks like "rain on the windshield":
Look at the LINE-X texture, it looks like an orange peel:
Another LINE-X pic, more light:
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Originally Posted by motopsyko32
Just spoke with the Rhino deale rin Miami, there are a few discrepencies you mentioned. He was reading right off of his Tech Sheet from Rhino. Righno is tested at 299,000 pounds per square inch and heat tested at above 300 degrees. It also carries a NATIONWIDE warranty from any Rhino authorized dealer.
He also said that the Line-x liner is sprayed on thin (not even 1/4 inch) where as the Rhino Tough Stuff is sprayed on over 3/8 inch thick...
He also said that the Line-x liner is sprayed on thin (not even 1/4 inch) where as the Rhino Tough Stuff is sprayed on over 3/8 inch thick...
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Here's Rhino's Tuff Stuff Data Sheet, read it yourself. Rhino does not have a polyurea product, period.
http://www.rhinolinings.com/RL/pdf/m.../TuffStuff.pdf
http://www.rhinolinings.com/RL/pdf/m.../TuffStuff.pdf
