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And I wondered why everybody always laughs at the MECP's, its because of that crap. And please prove this one.
Its people like you that are causing the industry to use max numbers. How about instead of keeping people in the dark, you actually help them out a bit more. That is typical big box crap. Do you realize, I could make my own amp that may put out 2w RMS (which is technically not even a real "continuous" number, but just a mathmatical formula) and rate it at 4500W why because, I hooked it up to a 1500VDC power supply and got close.
There is no such thing as a type-e door spk.
Now look I am coming across as a bit of a jackass but come on. This industry is tanking because of crap like that. Everytime you talk max you are reinforcing what they "think they know", then the next time they see this small amp producing huge "numbers" theyll pick it up. That and they go to cheap sellhouses...
and also once again i never said that i was talking abt rms ....the average person doesnt understand what rms is but can grasp the max power, so when i talk to people i state the max b/c they can understand me... the information im giving is for biggbronco and he never stated anything about rms or max so im answering him with max power b/c i know he can grasp that.... rockford fosgate does this as well. if you look at their amp kits they state exactly what i stated. so you can chill out b/c ive only stated max power for everyone elses benefit. if i was talking to another installer i would talk rms b/c they would understand me. i worked for best buy for 5 years and stereo ltd. for 2 years and just about every customer that comes in talks to me abt max power cuz they have no clue what rms is. also if i were to talk abt rms i would state that nothing i have written has had rms after it so therefore i was stating max.
that would be better than factory, so therefore i would believe that is would be good.
its all his opinion since itll be in his truck. i personally would go with a nice 4 chanel alpine with some type e or type r door speakers but thats my truck not his. also it depends on the money he wants to spend. so im not going to tell him whats good or whats not good.
its all his opinion since itll be in his truck. i personally would go with a nice 4 chanel alpine with some type e or type r door speakers but thats my truck not his. also it depends on the money he wants to spend. so im not going to tell him whats good or whats not good.
Now look I am coming across as a bit of a jackass but come on. This industry is tanking because of crap like that. Everytime you talk max you are reinforcing what they "think they know", then the next time they see this small amp producing huge "numbers" theyll pick it up. That and they go to cheap sellhouses...
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Dream on(Mecp cetified my A**) . Your telling someone to get power for an amp from the Ignition Harness ???? Or from under the steering wheel ??? All amplifiers (I don't care what size) need to get power straight from the battery . I would also never use smaller than 8 guage for power & ground .
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for an amp that small that he was claiming to have, it wouldnt need that much power. the ignition harness and fusebox both run from the battery. also i just go along with max power b/c all day long, just about every person that walks into our shop only knows about max power not rms. its easier for me to just sell the customer what he really needs and to install and explain everything in terms they understand rather than to teach everyone the true readings on amps. you guys only deal with a few people hear and there or you only have to say it once for a lot of people to understand you. i would have to explain 10 times a day 5 times a week and i would still have the problem.
so when i hear someone throw out some numbers i assume they are talking about max power b/c just about every customer doesnt know squat abt rms. i talk this way because where i work the customer is always right so i have to come down to their level.
yes i was wrong about the door speakers, i apologize. im just used to saying type e because we install type e subs quite frequently. the door speakers that we have are the type s and type r. again im sorry for that confusion.
however im terribly sorry that all of you cry everytime you hear someone say max power. its ok to hold back your tears and move on with your lives, its not the end of the world. i never said any of you were wrong, i was just throwing out an alternative way of installing the amp since he didnt want to go through the fire wall and get the power from the battery.
if i were to do the install i would also use 8 gauge and get it from the battery, but again i was giving him an alternative way, since thats what he asked for.
so when i hear someone throw out some numbers i assume they are talking about max power b/c just about every customer doesnt know squat abt rms. i talk this way because where i work the customer is always right so i have to come down to their level.
yes i was wrong about the door speakers, i apologize. im just used to saying type e because we install type e subs quite frequently. the door speakers that we have are the type s and type r. again im sorry for that confusion.
however im terribly sorry that all of you cry everytime you hear someone say max power. its ok to hold back your tears and move on with your lives, its not the end of the world. i never said any of you were wrong, i was just throwing out an alternative way of installing the amp since he didnt want to go through the fire wall and get the power from the battery.
if i were to do the install i would also use 8 gauge and get it from the battery, but again i was giving him an alternative way, since thats what he asked for.
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for an amp that small that he was claiming to have, it wouldnt need that much power. the ignition harness and fusebox both run from the battery. also i just go along with max power b/c all day long, just about every person that walks into our shop only knows about max power not rms. its easier for me to just sell the customer what he really needs and to install and explain everything in terms they understand rather than to teach everyone the true readings on amps. you guys only deal with a few people hear and there or you only have to say it once for a lot of people to understand you. i would have to explain 10 times a day 5 times a week and i would still have the problem.
so when i hear someone throw out some numbers i assume they are talking about max power b/c just about every customer doesnt know squat abt rms. i talk this way because where i work the customer is always right so i have to come down to their level.
yes i was wrong about the door speakers, i apologize. im just used to saying type e because we install type e subs quite frequently. the door speakers that we have are the type s and type r. again im sorry for that confusion.
however im terribly sorry that all of you cry everytime you hear someone say max power. its ok to hold back your tears and move on with your lives, its not the end of the world. i never said any of you were wrong, i was just throwing out an alternative way of installing the amp since he didnt want to go through the fire wall and get the power from the battery.
if i were to do the install i would also use 8 gauge and get it from the battery, but again i was giving him an alternative way, since thats what he asked for.
so when i hear someone throw out some numbers i assume they are talking about max power b/c just about every customer doesnt know squat abt rms. i talk this way because where i work the customer is always right so i have to come down to their level.
yes i was wrong about the door speakers, i apologize. im just used to saying type e because we install type e subs quite frequently. the door speakers that we have are the type s and type r. again im sorry for that confusion.
however im terribly sorry that all of you cry everytime you hear someone say max power. its ok to hold back your tears and move on with your lives, its not the end of the world. i never said any of you were wrong, i was just throwing out an alternative way of installing the amp since he didnt want to go through the fire wall and get the power from the battery.
if i were to do the install i would also use 8 gauge and get it from the battery, but again i was giving him an alternative way, since thats what he asked for.
I hear max more times a day then I can count as well. But I am making a difference teaching every customer the errors of that. Matter of fact, I just moved to a new store (for me), to help fix that bay. Within, that 2 months I am making a difference, I teach customers the correct things and I am starting to see a customer base come back to that store.
Which is the easiest way to clean? Clean a little bit everyday or clean a now extremely dirty environment all at once. Thats the way I am approaching teaching customers and its working well.
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honestly dude, you're just hurting yourself by not at least trying to explain things to your customers correctly.
example: say everything i think i know about car audio is incorrect. i go to your shop and you confirm everything that im saying to be true. then later i go to a car show or something and find out that everything i thought i knew was totally wrong, i wouldn't assume that you were just trying to keep things simple for me. i would assume you didnt know what the fack you were talking about and would never buy from you again.....
then i would go to low's shop and feel really good when he corrects any misconceptions i have, and takes the time to enlighten me with a little knowledge.....as he has done on this forum quite a few times
just my 2 cents
example: say everything i think i know about car audio is incorrect. i go to your shop and you confirm everything that im saying to be true. then later i go to a car show or something and find out that everything i thought i knew was totally wrong, i wouldn't assume that you were just trying to keep things simple for me. i would assume you didnt know what the fack you were talking about and would never buy from you again.....
then i would go to low's shop and feel really good when he corrects any misconceptions i have, and takes the time to enlighten me with a little knowledge.....as he has done on this forum quite a few times
just my 2 cents
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honestly i still thank amp ratings are crap. Nothing is uniform still! I see profile amps claiming 1000w CEA or whatever and swapped it for an old school RF ( circa 04 05 not ooollldddd school) 200 watt BD and my buddy couldnt believe the difference, also my RF #s were RMS right off the birth sheet max was in the 2k range. Its not all about numbers I used to be but I grew up, Love JL amps but will have nothing other then rainbows in my doors. i have a lot of equipment in my days and im fairly set in my ways now I do want to hear a Macintosh and a zapco in my car though direct swap out to hear them supposed to be amazing buddy used to brag about his macintosh head unit.