They aren't making a come back because they make absolutely no sense to buy. Do the numbers and with the added initial cost, poor reliability with the emissions equipment installed, significantly higher fuel costs, more expensive maintenance, and fuel economy that is no longer than much better than gas. Even with all else equal, the Ecodiesel isn't better than the new 2.7 Ecoboost with diesel as expensive as it is. Mile per dollar is better with the 2.7 EB based on that alone.

Diesel made sense when 3/4 ton trucks got 22+ MPG on the highway while the gas got 10, the diesels were bullet proof and ran for 300k+ miles consistently, and diesel fuel was dirt cheap.

But it seems you've arrived at that decision already. At least here I can delete a diesel and get away with it, but if anyone in California buys a diesel, they're either a moron or they absolutely need the extra power in their 3/4 or 1 ton. Emissions equipment is so bad for these trucks.

 

I love the idea of 20+ mpg's...my 05 gets around 10.8 mpg city, and has never really done better than 14 hwy...with my luck, an eco boost wouldn't do much better...

I would love an F250, but just don't need the extra payload...just think they are bad a**!

 

That's exactly what my 06 5.4 did before the lift, except I could squeeze 15 on the highway going 65 on flat ground. Seems that's about as bad as they'll do. Never understood how some folks get 18+.

I did get 15.3 mpg with 35s and 8" of lift on a highway trip 2 weeks ago though But I'm sure the 4.88 gears were a big part of that, the pump gave me one hell of a top-off, and that it'll never happen again haha.

My neighbors' pair of EBs get 22+ driving to and from their shop. Even my buddy's stock 2013 5.0 gets 17 mpg lifetime average and all he does is horrible stop and go traffic at 10 mph, then 85+ mph on the highway.

 

Ford should make an ecoboost 6.2L for the F250, and make the Diesel an F350 option only.

 

When the F-250/F-350 has to be included in the EPA gas mileage stats, you won't even see a 6.2 NA much less boosted. You will see a small Ecoboost V-8 or big Ecoboost V-6.

 

I just hope reports of Ecoboost V6 are not true, for the next gen Raptor. Don't want a truck that sounds like bee fart.

 

Drove 347 miles yesterday, most of it on the highway running 75-80 in my 5.0 Screw. Got 19.7, not trying for economy.

 

IIRR, all the diesels used by Isuzu, Toyota, etc were all Mitsubishi Diesels.

IMHO, the Dodge crap just hasn't changed.....yes the styling in the past few years have improved greatly, but...it's crap. The Ford Ecoboost.....well, if you are leasing or going to get rid of it every 3 years, sure, have fun with it, but don't expect the EPA stated MPG...like with all blown/turbo oem engines, as you put the pedal down the MPG goes away...and with turbos on gas engines....while the advance engineering is excellent which has offset just about every drivability issue associated with high boost applications, they are complex, expensive to repair and if anything goes out-of-wack just for a few seconds (like a mis-fire0 say hello to major damage- like burned pistons or even holes burned through pistons.

 

What would that solve?

As long as they can get 450+ Hp and 500+ ft. lbs. out of whatever they use.

 

Why? That's what the diesel is for. Not everyone needs that kind of power in a 3/4 or 1 ton truck. It's just like you whining about the NA 3.5 in the F-150.

Before your time, but the F-250/350 used to have the 4.9 I6 as the standard engine.......and it wasn't that long ago the 5.4 was standard.

 

But the diesel costs $8500 or so more than the gasser! Plus the fuel is 30-50% higher than gas!

I love my diesel for towing, but if Ford will put an EcoBoost V8 or larger V6 in the F250, my next truck will have it! I'm thinking a 2.7L V6 scaled up to a V8 and maybe bored out a bit. 3.8-4.0L V8 in an F250 pushing out around 450 HP and 500 ft-lbs of torque? Count me in!

I would like a bit more power than the stock 6.2L in an F250 for towing my fifth wheel, but I don't need 860 ft-lbs of torque, nor the $8k+ price tag for the amount of towing I do.

 

Many corporations like Walmart are supposed to be switching their big trucks to natural gas. If enough of that goes on, it might bring the price of diesel down.

 

Because of the reasons below. Chevy also thought an anemic 350 was good enough for everything, up to and including 3500s, but they're dogs by today's standards. And I was hoping I didn't have to say to NOT bring up the (and say this in a backwoods redneck voice) "Well my ole 460 was a danged stump puller and it had half the power of these dang new pickups" argument up. Everyone "needs" that kind of power in a 3/4 ton because without it, you might as well buy a 150.

Fact of the matter is, if it has less than the numbers I listed, it won't compete with anything. The current 6.2 has numbers not at all far off from those, and every generation must do better than the previous, especially in the current "horsepower war" that's going on.

While I agree that it may not truly be "needed," those numbers are needed in order to be good enough for the current market. What motor or turbos they use to get there, I don't care, but that's where the numbers need to be IMO.

 

How about hack 2 cylinders off the 6.2 to make it a 4.6 V6 and Ecoboost it? Only problem is it would vibrate like hell without a balance shaft.

 

GM couldn't give away a hybrid pickup. They aren't marketable at all. Making one is just plain stupid. A diesel electric may open some eyes on usability to some buyers. Ford could easily use an Isuzu 4 banger diesel that makes near 200 hp and 400 lbs torque and make the thing fly with incredible fuel mileage considering the Isuzu does peak power at 1500 rpms. Downside would be costs. There's really no emissions certification issues as the engine is already certified. That's where I see the future of our trucks- diesel electric with small 3 and 4 cylinder diesels turning slow but making decent power.
FWIW, Isuzu is one of the best diesel engine makers in the world. They even make engines for GM and the current Duramax is an Isuzu design with GM bean counter cuts.