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Old Feb 26, 2014 | 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by IR0NS1N
Well boost = More cylinder compression/pressure/stress/heat/fuel. You cannot tell me the turbos pushing 14psi into the cylinders is as stress free as them not. Sure the engine is designed for it and it will still last a long time doing so (its a Ford after all) I really got off my thought train on my post and really should have went on to say that the Eco is working harder compared to the 6.2 based on my own personal experiences. It had a harder time towing the same weight as the 6.2. I had to give it more pedal to achieve the same thing. Not talking drag racing up a hill with a trailer, I mean going up at hill at freeway speeds how much I had to push the gas to get it to do what I wanted.




Well I'm in the opinion that the 2.7 and 3.5 are what ford want to sell, if its like the current 3.5 vs 5.0 the 3.5 will have more power just to be the "most powerful" to try to get people to buy it off that alone. Same, again in my opinion, that the 2.7 will have more power then the 3.5 n/a for the same reason. From what I've heard the 2.7 will be about 300-320hp. If it makes 300hp the 3.5 will not overtake it on hp. Again my opinion as no one knows for sure.

I do agree, v6s today heck, even I4 make more power then 15 year old V8s
I expect the 2.7L to be just under the 5.0 in power/torque. I would expect maybe 325/360, or something in that range. Yes, it will make more power and get better fuel economy than the 3.5. The 2.7EB is to the 5.0 what the 3.5EB is to the 6.2L. Comparable in power/torque while getting better fuel economy.

Personally, I wish a 2.7L EB F150 would fit my needs, as I think it would be the perfect truck for me if I didn't need to tow my fifth wheel. More power than the old 5.4 with a 700lb lighter truck and 50% better fuel economy. What's not to like?
 
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Old Feb 26, 2014 | 03:58 PM
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Yea why not? Better MPG. And the 5.0 is heavily detuned (compared to mustang version but its mainly due to intake cam difference etc for torque) and not even related the 5.4 which I'm thinking you think it is.

Here is some info on the 3.5 for you since you don't seem to realize that it only makes 290hp/254tq in a car. A car which doesn't need a towing torque curve. Towing torque curves need to be long and flat and usually hurt HP numbers

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Cyclone_engine
Why would ford have an underpowered motor? To get you to buy a newer 2.7 Eco over it. As I'm sure it will cost more and probably get even better fuel economy being a newer design.[/QUOTE]




there is no way ford will drop hp and tq from where they are now with the 3.7 going to the 3.5 if you think they would you must be on glue. like ever one else ford wants to say we have the most powerful na v6 with best mpg. as soon as ford posts the real numbers you will see. just name the last time a new motor car out and they dropped the hp number that tq number going from old to new. in say the last 15 years. = to = .
 
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Old Feb 27, 2014 | 01:49 PM
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Ford Mustang loss hp going from the 5.0 to the 4.6 in '94 (I know not 15 years but true none the less). I was reading on motor trend and I believe it was Hyundai just lost like 33hp in one of their cars but improved the torque curve. I have to see if I can find that article again. Its very common from what I've seen (if you read car and driver and motortrend daily like I do) then you'll see.

When Cadillac revamped their lineup they went down in HP but the size of the cars changed. The old 4.6 Northstar made 300hp but the CTS came out with 255hp. Now it offers 304. I'm saying it can be less HP with 700lbs of less truck.

I get those are different motors (except Hyundai) but basically same thing, they go from one car to another year of it and HP drops. Look at the 5.0 in the trucks currently, they lose 40hp+ going from car to truck because they have to make torque differently.
 
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Old Feb 27, 2014 | 08:47 PM
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Another case...the '13 Fusion lost the 3.5 V6 and the HP that came with it.
 
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Old Mar 1, 2014 | 01:06 AM
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the 3.5 will be 260/240 ya cause ford is going to lower there base v6 numbers???? 302/278?? from the 3.7 and dropping.2 of a L will cause this well the 5.0 must really be de tuned then lmfao
Talk about pulling numbers out of one's rear end!

Originally Posted by IR0NS1N
Eco boost is working hard every time you have to go into full boost to tow up hill. The Eco boost is gutless until its in boost, every turbo'd vehicle is. Its why turbo lag is a bad thing.
Again I ask you, have you towed with a Ford 6.2 and a Eco 3.5 same load? I have and I can tell you the 3.5 is working harder from my experience.

You call me full of **** yet you don't even know the displacement of the Ecoboost. 3.6 is GM TT, 3.5 is Ford TT. Maybe you should do more research first hand.

Here is some info on the 3.5 for you since you don't seem to realize that it only makes 290hp/254tq in a car. A car which doesn't need a towing torque curve. Towing torque curves need to be long and flat and usually hurt HP numbers

Why would ford have an underpowered motor? To get you to buy a newer 2.7 Eco over it. As I'm sure it will cost more and probably get even better fuel economy being a newer design.
*Every engine works hard pulling a load up a hill. Listen to the 6.2 trucks scream pulling a trailer to the Eisenhower tunnel.
*90% torque at 2500 rpm is not gutless. boost kicks in very fast. Most that actually drive this truck complain more about the top end so shows your experience. cars with single large twins are gutless before boost, but I have yet to find a gutless turbo truck.
*your expirience again. So HOW , like others have asked, did you come to the conclusion the engine was working harder? did you attach some sensors to the engines? did you check bearing stress? Really curious to know!
*way to get me on that technicality, but speaking of research....
*maybe you should do some of your own before talking about the 3.5 NA which you really know nothing about.

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Crap, I guess that means my 6.4L PowerStroke is really working hard when it goes into boost towing my fifth wheel up a hill. I should have gotten the V10 since it is N/A and wouldn't be working as hard without those turbos! You can't tell how hard an engine is working by looking at the boost gauge.

The 3.5 has been reworked for '15 and gets new features not found on the current 3.5. What it makes in a car today has no bearing what it will make in a '15 F150.

You don't have to sound so rude with your comments.
6.8 v10 you say? Sorry, way too many moving parts on that engine and the cylinders are WAY to small. You need a 7.5L v-8! It will be a gas hog, but that engine will not have to work very hard according to my "experience" driving those engines. P.S. turbo lag is a bad thing.
Ford Announced the 3.5L will be all new, yet this guy is being snarky and "educating" me on the engine's specifications. This joker cracks me up.
 
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Old Mar 2, 2014 | 06:50 PM
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I love the "only a V8 will do" crowd. They ignore all performance facts and are relegated to "it just feels better," and " nothing beats displacement." It reminds me of this commercial.

Your like those guys who will keep their bushes.
 
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Old Mar 2, 2014 | 07:01 PM
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I love the "only a V8 will do" crowd. They ignore all performance facts and are relegated to "it just feels better," and " nothing beats displacement." It reminds me of this commercial.
Video Link: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pmkPIG6KEuU

Your like those guys who will keep their bushes.
Guess I want to keep the bushes. Didn't watch the video, so have no idea what you are referring to but it is nice that we can all have different opinions and choices. I'm 70 years old and I preferred a V8 since my first car at 14. Doubt that will change at this late date.

I respect your choice of engine for you, but it won't be mine.
 
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Old Mar 2, 2014 | 08:08 PM
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Guess I want to keep the bushes. Didn't watch the video, so have no idea what you are referring to but it is nice that we can all have different opinions and choices. I'm 70 years old and I preferred a V8 since my first car at 14. Doubt that will change at this late date.

I respect your choice of engine for you, but it won't be mine.
Jim, In another 3 years or so that ol 5.0 will be the base engine in the f150 like the 4.2 use to be and be about as slow as the 4.2 was compared to the new ecobeasts


 
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Old Mar 2, 2014 | 08:16 PM
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Jim, In another 3 years or so that ol 5.0 will be the base engine in the f150 like the 4.2 use to be and be about as slow as the 4.2 was compared to the new ecobeasts

Blah, blah, blah.
 
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Old Mar 2, 2014 | 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by KingRanchCoy
Jim, In another 3 years or so that ol 5.0 will be the base engine in the f150 like the 4.2 use to be and be about as slow as the 4.2 was compared to the new ecobeasts


Actually I wouldn't be surprised if the base engine will be some 4 banger Ecoboost. It's all about gas mileage and as good as the 5.0 is, it will never get good enough mileage to squeak in under the CAFE requirements.
 
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Old Mar 3, 2014 | 12:51 AM
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Originally Posted by KingRanchCoy
Jim, In another 3 years or so that ol 5.0 will be the base engine in the f150 like the 4.2 use to be and be about as slow as the 4.2 was compared to the new ecobeasts


I'll just wait to have both. A V8 Ecoboost
 
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Old Mar 3, 2014 | 01:54 AM
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I'll just wait to have both. A V8 Ecoboost
A V8 Ecoboost would rock!
 
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Old Mar 3, 2014 | 02:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluejay
Guess I want to keep the bushes. Didn't watch the video, so have no idea what you are referring to but it is nice that we can all have different opinions and choices. I'm 70 years old and I preferred a V8 since my first car at 14. Doubt that will change at this late date.

I respect your choice of engine for you, but it won't be mine.
It used to be the V8 crowd was so because you could correctly associate V8's with better performance (i.e., better acceleration, towing, horsepower, torque). So it used to be that wanting a V8 meant wanting better performance, now that it doesn't I don't understand the loyalty to the number of cylinders.

I am a performance guy, give me what performs the best, I don't care how many cylinders that is.
 
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Old Mar 3, 2014 | 02:44 AM
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I love the "only a V8 will do" crowd. They ignore all performance facts and are relegated to "it just feels better," and " nothing beats displacement." It reminds me of this commercial.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pmkPIG6KEuU

Your like those guys who will keep their bushes.
Yup, that's me. Don't like change in politics, my country, or my vehicles.

To someone that cares deeply about exhaust note, and to whom the sound (or lack thereof) of a V6 is a complete deal breaker, I need my V8 to be happy. How a car, or truck, sounds is just as important as how fast it is or how well it performs.
 
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Old Mar 3, 2014 | 03:52 AM
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Originally Posted by KMAC0694
Yup, that's me. Don't like change in politics, my country, or my vehicles.

To someone that cares deeply about exhaust note, and to whom the sound (or lack thereof) of a V6 is a complete deal breaker, I need my V8 to be happy. How a car, or truck, sounds is just as important as how fast it is or how well it performs.
I bet you would really love a Tesla.

 

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