Picked Up 2011 Lariat Last Night
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The F-150 has better options. Plus, why get a Super Duty if one is going to tow a trailer only a few times a year, say once every other month? It would be different if one towed a trailer more often.
However, for 2011, the F250 does look more attractive than the F150, towing and pricewise. To get the same towing capacity of the 2010 F150 5.4L, one has to get the 6.2L. To get the 6.2L, one has to get the Lariat or better. One can get the 6.2L with the F250 XLT, which is considerably less expensive than the F150 Lariat, and get another 1000 lb. towing capacity (without getting duallies) and more incab storage (lockable under front seat storage). What bites is the fuel mileage is down from 2010 on the F150 (I haven't found figures for the F250), the F250's shortest bed is 6.5' (the 5.5' screw sticks out enough when parking it) and the sound system only has a single CD player. The 6 CD player I have in my '08 F-150 screw has been a Godsend on long trips. It's even better than satellite radio (I wasn't too impressed with it). The only real advantage I see with the 2011 trucks is the tranny is better (you can lock in a gear if hunting becomes a problem). Frankly, if I need to upgrade my screw to get more towing capacity, I'm going to give some serious consideration to looking for a good, used 2010 F150.
However, for 2011, the F250 does look more attractive than the F150, towing and pricewise. To get the same towing capacity of the 2010 F150 5.4L, one has to get the 6.2L. To get the 6.2L, one has to get the Lariat or better. One can get the 6.2L with the F250 XLT, which is considerably less expensive than the F150 Lariat, and get another 1000 lb. towing capacity (without getting duallies) and more incab storage (lockable under front seat storage). What bites is the fuel mileage is down from 2010 on the F150 (I haven't found figures for the F250), the F250's shortest bed is 6.5' (the 5.5' screw sticks out enough when parking it) and the sound system only has a single CD player. The 6 CD player I have in my '08 F-150 screw has been a Godsend on long trips. It's even better than satellite radio (I wasn't too impressed with it). The only real advantage I see with the 2011 trucks is the tranny is better (you can lock in a gear if hunting becomes a problem). Frankly, if I need to upgrade my screw to get more towing capacity, I'm going to give some serious consideration to looking for a good, used 2010 F150.
I am sure you know this but since you mentioned the 6 disc CD thing I thought I'd double check.
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The statement "because it is not the max tow truck" is not a reason. That is just your statement which means nothing without facts as to why Ford chose to do so.
We don't know why Ford said that it can't be a max tow truck. I say either because Ford wants to push ecoboost sales or with the new towing standards the 5.0 doesn't have the power necessary.
Unless you know the real reason you don't know any more than I do.
The facts known are:
1. Even though the 5.0 has more hp and torque than the 5.4 it is rated to tow less
2. This is due to the fact that Ford chose not to sell the max tow package on the 5.0
Everything else is speculation unless Ford tells us the real reason.
We don't know why Ford said that it can't be a max tow truck. I say either because Ford wants to push ecoboost sales or with the new towing standards the 5.0 doesn't have the power necessary.
Unless you know the real reason you don't know any more than I do.
The facts known are:
1. Even though the 5.0 has more hp and torque than the 5.4 it is rated to tow less
2. This is due to the fact that Ford chose not to sell the max tow package on the 5.0
Everything else is speculation unless Ford tells us the real reason.
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Bottom line, I think that anyone contemplating the purchase of a 10k TT should be looking at Superdutys, not 1/2 ton trucks.
Lady, keep your 2008 till you are ready to buy the trailer, then see what the offerings are.
Lady, keep your 2008 till you are ready to buy the trailer, then see what the offerings are.
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JohnDeereFarmer,
You are missing two points. 1: Horsepower and torque do not directly influence tow ratings. 2: You nor I know what the changes that come with the max tow package.
Lady,
Towing a 10k pound travel trailer with any half ton is not wise, especially for with a family. There is a huge difference between towing a TT than a flat bed car hauler. A TT has a lot more aero drag. 7k is about it for most families and the most capable half tons. 1000 pounds on the hitch, a family in the cab, and some gear in the bed puts many half tons over their payload. Anyway, like GLC said, not point replacing your truck until you narrow down the trailer choices.
The point of the 5.0L is more horsepower, more torque than the 5.4L with better fuel economy. Likewise the Ecoboost.
You are missing two points. 1: Horsepower and torque do not directly influence tow ratings. 2: You nor I know what the changes that come with the max tow package.
Lady,
Towing a 10k pound travel trailer with any half ton is not wise, especially for with a family. There is a huge difference between towing a TT than a flat bed car hauler. A TT has a lot more aero drag. 7k is about it for most families and the most capable half tons. 1000 pounds on the hitch, a family in the cab, and some gear in the bed puts many half tons over their payload. Anyway, like GLC said, not point replacing your truck until you narrow down the trailer choices.
The point of the 5.0L is more horsepower, more torque than the 5.4L with better fuel economy. Likewise the Ecoboost.
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JohnDeereFarmer,
You are missing two points. 1: Horsepower and torque do not directly influence tow ratings. 2: You nor I know what the changes that come with the max tow package.
Lady,
Towing a 10k pound travel trailer with any half ton is not wise, especially for with a family. There is a huge difference between towing a TT than a flat bed car hauler. A TT has a lot more aero drag. 7k is about it for most families and the most capable half tons. 1000 pounds on the hitch, a family in the cab, and some gear in the bed puts many half tons over their payload. Anyway, like GLC said, not point replacing your truck until you narrow down the trailer choices.
The point of the 5.0L is more horsepower, more torque than the 5.4L with better fuel economy. Likewise the Ecoboost.
You are missing two points. 1: Horsepower and torque do not directly influence tow ratings. 2: You nor I know what the changes that come with the max tow package.
Lady,
Towing a 10k pound travel trailer with any half ton is not wise, especially for with a family. There is a huge difference between towing a TT than a flat bed car hauler. A TT has a lot more aero drag. 7k is about it for most families and the most capable half tons. 1000 pounds on the hitch, a family in the cab, and some gear in the bed puts many half tons over their payload. Anyway, like GLC said, not point replacing your truck until you narrow down the trailer choices.
The point of the 5.0L is more horsepower, more torque than the 5.4L with better fuel economy. Likewise the Ecoboost.
The only reason I like a screw is I often ferry friends around.
I have no intention on buying a new truck until I narrow down what kind of trailer I want to get. Knowing what tow vehicles are available and what they can tow will help with that decision.
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After studying the Max Tow package to death in 2009 and 2010, the big deal that raises the tow capacity is the raise in payload. An 11,000 pound trailer requires between 200 and 240 additional pounds to keep within the 10 to 15% tongue weight standards. That's close to what the Max Tow boosts the payload. Last year we basically confirmed the only real changes were the rear bumpers and the door sticker. Even the spring packs were carrying the same part numbers. I'm thinking the Max Tow deal in 2011 is strictly due to weights across the board... a little here, a little there. Example... if you think the EcoBoost is only available with the 26 gallon fuel tank because it is so fuel efficient, you are kidding yourself. I'm betting it is due to the less weight, which in turn helps boost the mpg numbers, then again needing to carry less fuel to get the same distance per tank.
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Then why the heck does Ford give them the ratings they do? I am aware that the ratings are gross weights that include the trailer weight and whatever stuff one has in them. They are also limited by the amount of stuff loaded in tow vehicle (hence the GCVW ratings). I'm a single retiree so having a lot of weight in the tow vehicle is not going to be a huge problem. At most, I'll have a single passenger when towing (most likely, not even that). Aero drag is not a big deal. As infrequently as I will tow, it won't kill me to slow down.
The only reason I like a screw is I often ferry friends around.
I have no intention on buying a new truck until I narrow down what kind of trailer I want to get. Knowing what tow vehicles are available and what they can tow will help with that decision.
The only reason I like a screw is I often ferry friends around.
I have no intention on buying a new truck until I narrow down what kind of trailer I want to get. Knowing what tow vehicles are available and what they can tow will help with that decision.
Be advised, too, that according to the manual the 11,100 pound rating is in a truck completely empty with nothing in the bed, console, or glove box. No accessories, bed cover, fiberglass shell, light bar, bed mat, etc... And, I hope you don't weigh more than 200 pounds... that's the driver's weight included in the tow rating.
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My deal was Invoice less rebate and we split the hold back. I received $30,500 for my '09 Lariat Super Crew 4x4 with 17,000 miles.
The '11 is a SuperCrew 4x4 with all options except the off road package.
The '11 is a SuperCrew 4x4 with all options except the off road package.
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guys who cares, he's got a shiny new truck that's what we care about
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And the towing issue must be suspension related as power here is so much more than my '09.
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Bottom line, I think that anyone contemplating the purchase of a 10k TT should be looking at Superdutys, not 1/2 ton trucks.
I agree completely. Ford advertises the ratings for publicity and marketing. I would never tow anything close to the max capacity on a regular basis, regardless of powertrain. The Truck isn't sufficient. The difference between the abitlities of the Dodge 1500 V-8 and 3500 Cummings my dad had to tow his 5th wheel was not even a comparison. I know they weren't F-150's but the same holds true.
Regading the towing capacity of the 5.0 v.s. the 5.4 These are different engines. The 5.4 is very good for towing, better than the 5.0 for heavy loads because the 5.0 likes to rev freely, unlike the 5.4 ( this based on my Mustang ownership and driving the 5.0 F-150and many GT500s with the 5.4. Hence the reason Ford offers the EB now.
I agree completely. Ford advertises the ratings for publicity and marketing. I would never tow anything close to the max capacity on a regular basis, regardless of powertrain. The Truck isn't sufficient. The difference between the abitlities of the Dodge 1500 V-8 and 3500 Cummings my dad had to tow his 5th wheel was not even a comparison. I know they weren't F-150's but the same holds true.
Regading the towing capacity of the 5.0 v.s. the 5.4 These are different engines. The 5.4 is very good for towing, better than the 5.0 for heavy loads because the 5.0 likes to rev freely, unlike the 5.4 ( this based on my Mustang ownership and driving the 5.0 F-150and many GT500s with the 5.4. Hence the reason Ford offers the EB now.
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Why do diesels coincidentally have tow capacities in excess of 15,000 pounds and have an engine that pumps out 600 ft/lbs of torque?
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I said directly affect. People have been moving 10k, 20k, 50k pounds with less power/torque for many years. Today's vehicles are doing it quicker.
Diesels have 15k+ tow ratings and lots of torque because that is what the market wants! The manufacturers need to offer that in order for people to pay the $8-9k premium over the gasser.
Diesels have 15k+ tow ratings and lots of torque because that is what the market wants! The manufacturers need to offer that in order for people to pay the $8-9k premium over the gasser.
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True... the main reason I got the max tow package is to provide more margin over the 7,500 lb trailer I occasionally tow.
