specially when your trying to do donuts and the wheel speed gets over 35mph.

its designed to keep you safe not to help you have fun

Once you know how to drive, donuts are boring.

That's why you always see youngsters doing them.

It keeps you safe yes, but we should be able to turn it off 100% when needed...

Drifting never gets old no matter the age, and it takes knowing how to drive to do it....i would hate to be old and boring

donuts are not drifting...

and if you can't spin the tires on dry roads then you need more power

Or a Scion

I see a Dodge wreck into a ditch this morning right in front of me. I went around a corner after him and it was well slippery. He then thought it would be funny to give it a bit of oversteer but he didnt realise his 4000lb truck would keep the momentum up until he hit something. He was only doing about 15mph but still messed up big time. Bet he thought he was in control when he done that also. I should have shouted to him that he should get RSC next time lol

What exactly is wrong with a Dodge in a ditch?

Nothing. Thats why i didnt stop. I wernt pulling the idiot out when it was 17f outside. Was his own fault for driveing like a tool and driveing a budget truck. lol

first off i want to say that i was somewhat annoyed by tsc and rsc. i thought about eliminating them. my experience today changed mind

i was going down a very steep snow covered grade today. i stopped at the top and shifted into neutral. got past the slippy part and slapped it back into drive. the engine braking immediately engaged causing the back tires to slow and start to slide me sideways. i was caught somewhat off guard and wasnt expecting that to happen. the tsc and rcs kicked in perfectly correcting the sideways slide and saving a very possible wreck

so those who want to eliminate these features i suggest you think twice

RE: no fun in the snow;
several years back teaching my teenagers to drive.
I would take them to a snow covered parking lot. Show them how to spin out and recover, then they would practice, it was not only fun for us, we drilled this until their response became intuitive, I had them do this on all the vehicles we owned {EXCEPT my CORVETTE}.

My son liked the ability to control a manual transmission vehicle so much, he has owned 4 Ford trucks, he has NEVER owned an automatic (he lives way North in Michigans Upper Penninsula)... Too bad the F150 is now not avaialble in a manual (guess he'll need a Super duty next)


My TCS experience is:

My 95 LHS, front wheel drive had traction control, it was awesome, it worked great even in snow much too deep for that car.

On my rear wheel drive 09 F150, TSC has not goofed me over like alot of posts claim, On the LHS I could turn it off, it stayed off untill I turned it on.

On a rear wheel drive, the slip and corrective actions are sortta intuitive to those of us who grew up long before front wheel drive.

So is TSC necessary, maybe not for us old folks, but for the majority of drivers for whom driving is 2ndary to the cell phone... OH YEAH


The past few days I have noticed it kick in slippery turns but just momentarily
it did not annoy me, but my need to counter steer is less than normal.

Of course 1 clarification:

20 years ago I noticed my father (now in his 80's) had changed...
he drove like an old man.

Now that it is 20 years later I may have become like my father...
maybe that is why I don't notice TCS / RCS much.

Still waiting on mine so no chance to experinece it yet.

Other than not being able to play in the snow, what is the down side. People have complained about the funcitons but I dont know why???

ks

donuts are a young man's game, just stick with the burn out that gets eveyones attention...