I just put a set of take off raptor rims and tires 315/70/17 on my 05FX4. They replaced a set if 17" pro comp rims with 35/12.5 17's. The truck has a 6" lift on it. The off set or backspacing, or both are obviously a bit different as the raptor rims sit a bit more flush than the pro comps did.

My problem is the , pardon my ignorance, what I believe to be the upper ball joint link is rubbing on the inside edge of the rim itself to the point it is cutting into the rim. This only happens in a fairly hard turn. I know a spacer is not ideal, and good adapters are pricey. I'm assuming they are my two options. If anyone has any thoughts I would really appreciate it.

Based on the research I did before pulling the trigger on these, I figured they would be plug and play. BTW they came off of a 2011 raptor ....if that matters.

 

So the rim is rubbing and not the tire? That's weird.. Hopefully someone can chime in that has this set up on a non-Raptor

 

Exactly...no tire rubbing at all ,it is the very inside edge of the rim. Seemed strange to me as well.

 

Most lift kits (except rancho) require wheels with less backspacing than stock to clear suspension components.

 

That would be the most logical explanation . Thank you.

 

Either ditch te Raptor wheels or get four 1" spacers (made like adapters) that are hub centric and space them all 4 out.

Many off roaders use them. I know the "old wive's tales" say they are dangerous but when did you hear of a properly installed adapter failing? They cost less than most good wheels.

Those wheels are aluminum, will cut, and not doing something fast will ruin the wheels anyway if not already. Even putting te other 17s back on for awhile is better than wrecking them.

 

From my understanding it's not the adapter than fails, it's the studs that snap when the load is placed another 1" further out than intended.

 

Sooner, I know what you mean .... I've heard those same stories from seconnd or third hand points of view, but never yet from the person whio actually had a failure. I suspect that because of those stories, most people who use adapters probably use greater care installing them than they did wheels themselves.

A 1" spacer behind a wheel with 4" back space is the same as a same sized wheel with 3" back space. You are just adding a inch more dish, there's guys here who run deeper dished wheels. The adapter is mearely an extension of the rear mount face of the wheel.

I've seen lug stud failures from overtorqued lugs installed by 1/2" drive air wrenches on high speed, I've seen them fail after wobbling out wheel holes while a driver drove miles and miles after the lugs came loose from never having been tightened in the first place .... all without adapters.

I've worked wrecks (as a road working trooper for 31 years with 22 of those years also assigned as a team member on the Division Crash Reconstruction Team) where vehicles struck rocks or curbs in a slide or even struck other vehiocles and broke axles and/or taken the center out of aftermarket wheels, some with adapters still holding (I never saw a factory forged alloy wheel break, that's usually when an axle or spindle broke first).

I've seen people with stripped lug studs and nuts that were gauled and reused and now fused so they can't get them off on the roadside to change a flat (I carried a large 4 way and a long breaker bar and 4 size sockets plus two sockets made like easy outs but female so they brab a rounded nut by the outside all just to help out in such situations .... I kept my tools when retired).

I've seen 1/2 ton pick ups loaded cab top high with firewood and stock wheels and some with deep dish aftermarket wheels with oversize tires snap axles off at the wheel bearing from the weight. I have even seen one with those adapters where you install the first wheel and adapter and then you can add a second stock offset wheel onto a second set of studs .... "dual wheel adapter" and they used to be available aftermarket ... break an axle, but not studs. (I know an older retired trucker who used these same type aftermarket adapters to mount dual wheels on the rear of his mid '80s 4WD V6 Ranger which has a small slide in bed mounted camper on it, he ran it like that all over the USA in summer for probably 15 years, just him and his dogs. Uses steel wheel on inside, alloy on outside rear. Haven't seen him in a while now but he still had the truck last Summer at Lowes, but no camper or duals now. Had wide rubber lips fastened to cover outside wheels, now it's stock like. )

I've just never seen deep dished wheels or wheels mounted to adapters break studs and there's a lot of adapters running up and down the roads. Not saying it doesn't happen, but I've never seen it and I've seen a lot of crashes and disabled vehicles up close like, both with and without adapters. I never saw a disabled or wrecked vehicle where the adapter and wheel just broke the studs off the wheel going down the road.



I used to work at a "full service" gas station in the early '70s when we pumped gas, did windshileds, and tires, etc. In late 1978 I joined the state police. When I started out, I quickly learned that I was more comfortable changing my own tires, doing my own balancing. The state was happy to pay for the services to a shop, I just didn't feel good trusting strangers with my lug nuts and so I developed friendships at stations from visiting, and soon I had several where I could go, do my thing with their tire changer and balancers, and we just ran the ticket through to keep state happy about 1/2 the time. Like I donated my time to the station / shop. I now have many friends I'ld trust, but I still do my own if possible.

But it wasn't always like that, there were times when the wife and I maybe went to Roanoke or Lynchburg to get a set of tires at a shop, let them install, etc. Often balance was not great, sometimes when I got home I found lugs not tight or way too tight, even a couple that simply twisted in two when I went to check torque which told me the guy knew when he installed the nuts with that SnapOn air wrench on high that the stud was yielding.

Back in 1979 while still in state police basic academy I needed two front tires on my personal car one Saturday, I had to be back at the Academy in Richmond on Sunday for another week. There was a guy there who I knew pretty well through mutual buddies who actually installed my tires on my Chevelle. In less than 100 miles I felt a vibration and pulled over at a store to check, all 10 front lugs were loose. The vibration was the wheels rocking on the stud bases, and those were just 7/16 studs. I tightened them up, but the base was damaged and so the next Saturday found me in the driveway replacing wheel studs.

One day in particular saw a "kid" in a tire shop grab up a air wrench, swap sockets, hit the lugs on a buddy's police car and prompty wring off 3 studs before he stopped. He was talking to a buddy of his, not us and when the first one slung out of the socket, I wondered "what was that" .... he did a second, we heard it and walked over to see when he did the third. Two more the wheel would have fallen off while still on the lift. He had the wrench set so high it wasn't even slowing down hardly. He sure wasn't looking at what he was doing. Another guy came over, cussed, then pulled the rotor and replaced the studs and did the job himself. We were in uniform and didn't want to get sweaty.

IMHO and experiences, the biggest danger to wheel studs is improper torque, either too much or not enough.

 

That about settles it for me. I ordered the adapters today from a local 4WD shop. I would agree that failures , for the most part, could probably be traced back to either improper installation of the adapter or the rim to the adapter. That was a great write up. Appreciate the time you invested. BTW , I have a couple family members who are Va. State troopers.

 

Thanks .... I'll PM you.

 

Settles it is an understatement, my keyboard would have went on strike half way through that. I agree with Tbear, and Jeff07 is right the knuckles on any of the 6 inch lifts require less back side setting to clear. Rancho 4in kit can run stock wheels and Im pretty sure those raptor wheels have 6in of bss.

 

It wasn't that bad, I wrote it while watching an old B&W movie, just writing in short spurts ...
... though maybe I did get carried away, didn't realize quite so long!