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Old Jan 27, 2010 | 09:29 PM
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My only objection now is that Ford continues to allow dealerships to charge pretty much what they like - there is no standard and there should be - IMO.
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Old Jan 28, 2010 | 09:29 AM
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I called around 4 of the places on Cape Cod where im from and heres the results i got. im still waiting on 2 dealerships to call me back. but...

dealer 1.) 162$ + the price of plugs + 1 hr labor for EACH plug that breaks or gets stuck.
dealer 2.) didnt give a price but said 3 hours labor + price of plugs + any additional time to extract any broken plugs. he said he has one in there right now that his guy has been working on for 3 days and said they have a "special procedure" they do and use an impact gun to loosen up the inital "blow".

il update what the other 2 dealers say when they call back hopefully its something better than these....
 
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Old Jan 28, 2010 | 09:53 AM
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Hey Stealth - I was saying had I been aware of the plug problem when I purchased the truck in 07 - it might have changed my decision then. I agree that now it's much less of anissue solong as you fnd a dealer who understands the issue and follows the TSB. My only objection now is that Ford continues to allow dealerships to charge pretty much what they like - there is no standard and there should be - IMO.
Ford has no control over what dealers charge for service. They are independent shops. You have different labor rates in different parts of the country. You have good dealers and lousy dealers, just as you do anything else. I feel pretty fortunate that my dealer, though not the cheapest, seems pretty competent, and I know going in what it will cost. Some things, I'm able to do myself and save a lot, or take it elsewhere and save a little. Some things, such as the plugs, I didn't want anyone but them working on it.
 
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Old Jan 28, 2010 | 10:09 AM
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i dissagree, they may not have control over what dealers charge but they have control over every other little recall they throw out there. this to me should be under that list because it isnt our fault this is happening, its the moron that designed it. we shouldnt have to pay for ford mistakes. by the way heres my 3rd quote they just called me back.

dealer 3.) 408.14$ (parts and labor if all goes well) + 99$ extra for each plug that breaks.

im pretty unsatisfied with Ford right now....
 
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Old Jan 28, 2010 | 10:20 AM
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i dissagree, they may not have control over what dealers charge but they have control over every other little recall they throw out there. this to me should be under that list because it isnt our fault this is happening, its the moron that designed it. we shouldnt have to pay for ford mistakes. by the way heres my 3rd quote they just called me back.

dealer 3.) 408.14$ (parts and labor if all goes well) + 99$ extra for each plug that breaks.

im pretty unsatisfied with Ford right now....
Recalls are normally limited to things that endanger and breaking a plug is not killing or maiming people. Ford feels that once the plug issue was known, they solved it with a TSB and a special tool for removing broken ones. Regardless of how we might feel about it, that is how they and every other auto manufacturer does business. Our only recourse is to deal with the problem or get rid of the product. Getting rid of the product is risky as you may end up with a vehicle that has worse problems.

I originally got pretty pissed that a plug change would cost me $315. Then I started figuring how I used to have to change the plugs in my older cars, every 12,000 miles. Granted, it would only cost $25 or $35, but these plugs go to 100,000 miles. So when you start comparing cost, really not a lot of difference.

My plug change was not a big deal other than my concern and fretting about it before hand. I went back with the same plugs with nickel anti-sieze and don't expect to have a problem removing them when they get to about 90,000. They have 31,000 on them now.
 
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Old Jan 28, 2010 | 10:31 AM
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all of that is true im just annoyed at the fact that i have to deal with it and pay so much more than i should have to, thats all.

so when i have ford do them and assuming they follow the TSB and put anti sieze on them hopefully it will work so i can save some $$$ and do it myself without them sticking in there next time.

anyone on here have Ford do their plugs and replace them again on their own after without any issues?
 
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Old Jan 28, 2010 | 10:44 AM
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all of that is true im just annoyed at the fact that i have to deal with it and pay so much more than i should have to, thats all.

so when i have ford do them and assuming they follow the TSB and put anti sieze on them hopefully it will work so i can save some $$$ and do it myself without them sticking in there next time.

anyone on here have Ford do their plugs and replace them again on their own after without any issues?
I think there has been one guy had enough miles on the second set, with the anti-sieze, and said they came out without a problem. I would still follow the TSB, even then, and I would have the Lisle tool handy. The way it seems to work is if you have the Lisle tool to deal with the broken ones, none break, but if you don't have the tool, 1 or 2 break.
 
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Old Jan 28, 2010 | 10:56 AM
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i see, thats good to know but im deff not gunna deal with this myself, il have ford do it.

i have an extended platinum warranty, anyone have them done and had their warranty eat the axtra cost?
 
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Old Jan 28, 2010 | 12:23 PM
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I must be the only person who finds these dealer prices out the roof, really 300+ for a plug change?

Even my ( at the time 4 year old ) mustang was like $50 for the plugs and $60 for wires, and dealer cost was like $100 for labor, but I did it my self.

Maybe my area is just poor as hell and prices are higher else where, but most local shops charge from $25-$100 to do a plug change, and new plugs last 30-50K miles, I my self have gave my dad a hand doing simple things like oil changes and tune ups, a oil change was $20 plus oil, and plug change was dependent on engine and car, but never over $50.

Calling my dealers right now.... im on hold...... oh joy, asked for labor only price,

1) labor cost is, $171, for labor, each extra hour if a plug breaks is extra $$ depending on how long it takes.
 
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Old Jan 28, 2010 | 12:31 PM
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I'm gonna change out my plugs sometime this summer! I refuse to stress about it.....
 
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Old Jan 28, 2010 | 03:53 PM
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My opinion differs. I feel there is very little to worry about now since dealerships have been supplied the proper removal and install techniques, and with forums like this on the web should an average Joe run into problems he can easily find information he needs.

This small issue will not keep me from buying a Ford.
Ahhhhh, no. I just got off the phone with my service advisor. Was told that 'Rotunda tool' didn't work to rethread #7 plug after threads came out of head with the #7 plug. Methinks he was cornfused since the Rotunda is the broken plug remover. Also, this dealership had to GET the Rotunda tool or whatever they were going to use to try to cut new threads in the head. They didn't have it on hand!

Another $100+ dollars just to yank the head. $1800+ to pull the engine... And that's the fleet price!

Thanks Ford, MAY be my last FOMOCO product! I haven't forgotten the machining shavings you left between the head & the block on my old '99...

Only positive note so far was this would have been done VERY cheaply. '$379 Major tuneup' = plugs, air filter, fuel filter, clean COPs, flush fuel injectors, flash computer with updates if applicable and I can't remember what they were going to de-carbon...

And I was being pro-active with only 75,000 miles............
 
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Old Jan 28, 2010 | 06:34 PM
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Ahhhhh, no. I just got off the phone with my service advisor. Was told that 'Rotunda tool' didn't work to rethread #7 plug after threads came out of head with the #7 plug. Methinks he was cornfused since the Rotunda is the broken plug remover. Also, this dealership had to GET the Rotunda tool or whatever they were going to use to try to cut new threads in the head. They didn't have it on hand!

Another $100+ dollars just to yank the head. $1800+ to pull the engine... And that's the fleet price!

Thanks Ford, MAY be my last FOMOCO product! I haven't forgotten the machining shavings you left between the head & the block on my old '99...

Only positive note so far was this would have been done VERY cheaply. '$379 Major tuneup' = plugs, air filter, fuel filter, clean COPs, flush fuel injectors, flash computer with updates if applicable and I can't remember what they were going to de-carbon...

And I was being pro-active with only 75,000 miles............
That sucks. I replied to your issue in your thread.

My opinion still stands.
 
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Old Jan 28, 2010 | 06:37 PM
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yeah forget all that noise i got some crappy answers from all my dealerships and most of them didnt seem to talk like they had much experience on the whole deal. one guy said his "guy" had one in the shop right now and hes been working on a plug change for 3 days now....NICE!

their 100k plugs im gunna run them in there and trade it in before i hit 100k.... i dont have the money to fork over for that crap.
 
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Old Jan 28, 2010 | 06:46 PM
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dealer 1.) 162$ + the price of plugs + 1 hr labor for EACH plug that breaks or gets stuck.
That's pretty fair. Remember that these bizarre plugs retail for 20 bucks apiece.
 
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Old Jan 28, 2010 | 07:04 PM
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I changed mine last weekend, I went back with the Brisk plugs.
http://www.briskracing.com/product.php?productid=57

Its a one peice design, dont know why anyone would put back in the two peice kind. Taking them out will make you nervous, but the idiots i have at my local dealer is even worse. lol
 
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