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Old Dec 17, 2009 | 02:47 PM
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automatic folding mirrors....

My screw has power folding mirrors that I always fold when I park to avoidany potential "drunk walker/parker" dings. Anyone that has this equipped ever thought of what needs to be done for them to automatically close when you turn off the ignition? I would imagine that it would've been a factory setting that you can turn on and off just like headlamp delay and such. Any ideas?
 
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Old Dec 17, 2009 | 03:45 PM
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No there is no factory setting. It wouldn't be too terribly difficult to wire in a relay that would automatically trigger the powerfold upon shutdown/startup of the vehicle.
 
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Old Dec 17, 2009 | 04:09 PM
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hopefully I triggered a balsy person to try. I suck when it comes to doing relays with no instructions or colors to match...lol
 
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Old Dec 19, 2009 | 12:07 AM
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The diagram shows a right flow and a left fold, is this the case on the factory operation ( thought it was both fold at the same time, diagram is a bit cramped in that area of the drawing ) ?

The fold operation, do you press and hold, or momentarily press it to get them to move full swing ( either in or out ) ?

What happens if you press fold, while they are extending out ?

What happens if you press extend out, while they are folding ?
 
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Old Dec 19, 2009 | 01:03 AM
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Originally Posted by SSCULLY
The diagram shows a right flow and a left fold, is this the case on the factory operation ( thought it was both fold at the same time, diagram is a bit cramped in that area of the drawing ) ?

The fold operation, do you press and hold, or momentarily press it to get them to move full swing ( either in or out ) ?

What happens if you press fold, while they are extending out ?

What happens if you press extend out, while they are folding ?
I have them as well. The mirror controll has to be in the middle position for the fold function. Rotated to the left or right to enable the *** to rotate mirror glass. Then it is a momentary pull back on the *** to activate either fold or unfold. Both left and right mirrors move together. I think they fully cycle either open or closed no matter how many times you pull back on the ***. They are still powered with the ignition off untill the door opens same as radio.
 
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Old Dec 19, 2009 | 01:13 AM
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I have them as well. The mirror control has to be in the middle position for the fold function. Rotated to the left or right to enable the *** to rotate mirror glass. Then it is a momentary pull back on the *** to activate either fold or unfold. Both left and right mirrors move together. I think they fully cycle either open or closed no matter how many times you pull back on the ***. They are still powered with the ignition off until the door opens same as radio.
Thanks, that is what I thought, but the diagram shows a L & R fold notation for some reason ( with only 1 wire to the mirror fold control module ).

The diagram shows the power fold fuse ( Fuse #4 ) hot at all times, and the power to the power mirror switch ( Fuse # 3 ) is also hot at all time.
This leads me to think the power fold will work with the door open, and key in the off position.
-> Can you confirm the power fold only works while the accessory delay circuit is operational ?

I have to stew on this for a few days, and figure some options, before posting something to try.
I would be the test case, but I do not have power fold mirrors.
Someone needs to do the install 1st, after I get some diagrams up, of course I will go 1st, but someone needs to buy me power fold mirrors for my '06 then
 
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Old Dec 19, 2009 | 02:40 AM
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they fold until u arm the alarm......and i'll go for it
 
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Old Dec 19, 2009 | 08:21 AM
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they fold until u arm the alarm......and i'll go for it
What alarm are you talking about ?

I have to pull cell 117 for the 2007 & 2008 MY, the 2006 does not show an interaction with fuses #3 & #4 with the factory RKE system.
The only alarm in the truck from the factory is the panic alarm / car finder function which is part of the RKE.
 
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Old Dec 19, 2009 | 09:59 AM
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well I have a viper alarm installed in my truck......but i think you are able to power them after ignition shut off up until you lock the doors and leave the car. I just stepped out and tried and it looks like they always have power running because I just unlocked the truck, opened the door and they folded when I hit the button. I have an 2007 so I don't know if they changed the programming
 
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Old Dec 20, 2009 | 11:01 PM
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Looking at the function.

1. The power fold operates at all time, does not matter if the door are locked or not. To test this, shut truck off & remove key, open door, close door, lock door ( using key fob or door switch- do not put key in ignition ). Press the power fold option, and they should work.

2. The operation of the power fold.
The trigger I can find to use is the door ajar circuit, which switches ground. The issue with this can be 2 things.

a) The door open for a long time, I do not know if the mirrors would fold, then extend again. I need someone to press and hold the fold function, and hold on to it for 15 seconds ( without letting off the switch ), and see if the mirrors continue to cycle fold - extend.

b) The door would trigger the fold and extend ( door open to get out, fold door open to get in extend ).
This could be a problem if you open the door to get out ( and the holding the switch test does not cycle them ) and open the door for something else, the mirrors will extend out again.
This could be 2 things
b.1) deal with it, just open and shut the door again to get them to fold.
b.2) Add another time delay relay that would not allow them to trigger again for 0-60 min ( user selectable ).
 
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Old Dec 20, 2009 | 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by SSCULLY
Looking at the function.

1. The power fold operates at all time, does not matter if the door are locked or not. To test this, shut truck off & remove key, open door, close door, lock door ( using key fob or door switch- do not put key in ignition ). Press the power fold option, and they should work.

2. The operation of the power fold.
The trigger I can find to use is the door ajar circuit, which switches ground. The issue with this can be 2 things.

a) The door open for a long time, I do not know if the mirrors would fold, then extend again. I need someone to press and hold the fold function, and hold on to it for 15 seconds ( without letting off the switch ), and see if the mirrors continue to cycle fold - extend.

b) The door would trigger the fold and extend ( door open to get out, fold door open to get in extend ).
This could be a problem if you open the door to get out ( and the holding the switch test does not cycle them ) and open the door for something else, the mirrors will extend out again.
This could be 2 things
b.1) deal with it, just open and shut the door again to get them to fold.
b.2) Add another time delay relay that would not allow them to trigger again for 0-60 min ( user selectable ).
I tried it and it seems that you have to let go of the switch then hit it again for them to either open or close. In other words it doesn't keep cycling the command until you let it go and hit it again.....
 
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Old Dec 21, 2009 | 12:33 AM
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With the information on the button press and hold operation, this is the diagram for no delay, fold / extend when the door is opened.



This is using the Elk Security delay relay-960. The price seems to be 25-30 each for them.

I want to recheck the delay operation diagram 1 more time prior to posting. This setup would require 2 ELK-960 delay relays.
 
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Old Dec 21, 2009 | 10:59 AM
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wow glad to see I struck someones attention.....how the hell did hyou come to that conclusion by the way? You must be an electrician or something.. I'll be the guinea pig for the porject if you like. If i have a blueprint/diagram then I can work with it
 
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Old Dec 21, 2009 | 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by CcHARLEYcC
...<snip>.....how the hell did you come to that conclusion by the way? ...<snip>...
What conclusion ?

Originally Posted by CcHARLEYcC
...<snip>....I'll be the guinea pig for the project if you like. If i have a blueprint/diagram then I can work with it
The above post is the diagram. What else do you need ?
 
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Old Dec 21, 2009 | 11:43 PM
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nothing to confirm?
 
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