Outlaw Intake installed - impressions..
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I also installed the Outlaw intake on my 07. Install took about 30 minutes and didn't have any problems following the instructions.
The power and sound seem great so far. It definitely made the KR a little louder though.
After a few trips and 40 miles, no CEL for me. I never even disconnected the battery. Instead I programmed the Edge to stock, installed the intake, ran the truck like instructed. Since than I programmed the Edge back to LVL 2. Reprogramming the truck is basically like clearing the computer.
The only thing I noticed that I don't like so far is that the tube seems to be mounted really close to the power steering fluid res. and when going slow over bumps I can hear the two rattling against each other. Working on a fix now..
Overall I am happy with the Outlaw.
The power and sound seem great so far. It definitely made the KR a little louder though.
After a few trips and 40 miles, no CEL for me. I never even disconnected the battery. Instead I programmed the Edge to stock, installed the intake, ran the truck like instructed. Since than I programmed the Edge back to LVL 2. Reprogramming the truck is basically like clearing the computer.
The only thing I noticed that I don't like so far is that the tube seems to be mounted really close to the power steering fluid res. and when going slow over bumps I can hear the two rattling against each other. Working on a fix now..
Overall I am happy with the Outlaw.
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Originally Posted by Tylus
I'm glad you like it, and that it doesn't drone, but it made your computer put out a CEL. 
You're crazy. That thing would have been off the truck so fast. I don't mind doing nice safe mods. 1 CEL is enough to classify as non-safe, especially with the close tolerances and need for a little more engineering you were talking about.
But, like every other product, somebody has to be the guinea pig so it can be refined and made a better product.
, the CAI is not making any changes to the computer. The computer was reset when you unplugged the battery. This means it must relearn it's basic operating parameters. In other words, it got struck stupid, kinda of like a temp amnesia. It has the no chit #'s programmed from Ford, but it takes about 1 day of driving for the computer to relearn and "set" normal parameters. During this "relearn" phase, it will hopefully recognize and utilize the better airflow from the CAI and make more power.
Your CEL indicates something was causing the truck to fall outside the hard factory parameters and this is something that is not normal. You should never get a CEL from a tried and tested product unless that product requires tuning in conjunction.
You're crazy. That thing would have been off the truck so fast. I don't mind doing nice safe mods. 1 CEL is enough to classify as non-safe, especially with the close tolerances and need for a little more engineering you were talking about.But, like every other product, somebody has to be the guinea pig so it can be refined and made a better product.
, the CAI is not making any changes to the computer. The computer was reset when you unplugged the battery. This means it must relearn it's basic operating parameters. In other words, it got struck stupid, kinda of like a temp amnesia. It has the no chit #'s programmed from Ford, but it takes about 1 day of driving for the computer to relearn and "set" normal parameters. During this "relearn" phase, it will hopefully recognize and utilize the better airflow from the CAI and make more power. Your CEL indicates something was causing the truck to fall outside the hard factory parameters and this is something that is not normal. You should never get a CEL from a tried and tested product unless that product requires tuning in conjunction.Your truck can throw a CEL if your gas cap is not on correctly. If something is continuously wrong, my truck will throw another CEL. As of right now, my truck is running within the "hard factory parameters."
By the way I really dont appreciate your "you're crazy" comment. Just hold your crap to yourself.
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Originally Posted by thais0n
I am fully aware that the CAI does not make any changes to the truck's computer - nor did I ever say this. I know that the truck's computer has to relearn what to do with the new level of air entering the throttle body.
Your truck can throw a CEL if your gas cap is not on correctly. If something is continuously wrong, my truck will throw another CEL. As of right now, my truck is running within the "hard factory parameters."
By the way I really dont appreciate your "you're crazy" comment. Just hold your crap to yourself.
Your truck can throw a CEL if your gas cap is not on correctly. If something is continuously wrong, my truck will throw another CEL. As of right now, my truck is running within the "hard factory parameters."
By the way I really dont appreciate your "you're crazy" comment. Just hold your crap to yourself.
you posted that you're trying a new product and that you've experienced a CEL while using this product. A engine bank lean code. That is hardly a gas cap incorrectly installed CEL.
I could care less if you appreciate my comment. You shouldn't blindly lead people to purchase a product with issues. Or downplay a CEL on a truck that could potentially cause thousands of dollars in damage. A lean engine is a dead engine. That leads people back to the forum with WTF questions and saying that Ford sucks.
Me personally, I recommend the Volant because I've had it installed for 13,000 miles with 0 issues. Other guys recommend the Air Force 1 for the same reason. I understand you like your product and commend you for spreading the love of it. Just be a little cautious. The are lots of people who will take your word as gospel and potentially break their truck.
like my earlier post, there's always gotta be a guinea pig. I hope your testing is trouble free.
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The PCM in the 04 F150s has a well-known flaw that makes it overly sensitive to intake changes. This will cause an 04 to throw a CEL even when it is not dangerously lean any time the intake is significantly altered. This flaw was corrected in the PCM of the later years but never fixed in the 04s since it worked fine with the stock intake. Before jumping to any conclusions about this intake, I would wait and see how it works on 05+ F150s. There haven't been enough of them installed and reported on to form an informed opinion about this intake yet. So grab a cold one and lets sit back and see what happens. 
So grab a cold one and lets sit back and see what happens.
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i was the test truck for the outlaw intake when they were developing it. the grey f150 that is on their site is mine. i have the tube that everyone is being shipped. it was on my truck for about 2 months. no check engine lights at all! mines an 06 supercrew xlt 4x4, 5.4 in case that needs to be clairfied.
i towed my boat with it, drove it all around town and freeway and put about 5,000 miles on it....(i drive a lot). i never had any problems with it and still don't. the intake can get pretty loud with the edge on a level 2 or 3 tune and an exhaust, but i like the sound.
so i dont know, maybe some pcms are pickier than others?
i towed my boat with it, drove it all around town and freeway and put about 5,000 miles on it....(i drive a lot). i never had any problems with it and still don't. the intake can get pretty loud with the edge on a level 2 or 3 tune and an exhaust, but i like the sound.
so i dont know, maybe some pcms are pickier than others?
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Originally Posted by snowboarder7710
i was the test truck for the outlaw intake when they were developing it. the grey f150 that is on their site is mine. i have the tube that everyone is being shipped. it was on my truck for about 2 months. no check engine lights at all! mines an 06 supercrew xlt 4x4, 5.4 in case that needs to be clairfied.
i towed my boat with it, drove it all around town and freeway and put about 5,000 miles on it....(i drive a lot). i never had any problems with it and still don't. the intake can get pretty loud with the edge on a level 2 or 3 tune and an exhaust, but i like the sound.
so i dont know, maybe some pcms are pickier than others?
i towed my boat with it, drove it all around town and freeway and put about 5,000 miles on it....(i drive a lot). i never had any problems with it and still don't. the intake can get pretty loud with the edge on a level 2 or 3 tune and an exhaust, but i like the sound.
so i dont know, maybe some pcms are pickier than others?
R&D'ing an intake on just ONE truck, for a truck product line with hundreds of PCM strategy revisions across several years, each of them different enough to require at least SOME scrutiny, is.... irresponsible to put it mildly.
Yes the PCM's are picky. further a CEL may never be set at all and still be running dangerously out of spec.
This has been discussed many, many times already. Search.
Holy crap.
Yet another intake to avoid. Yet another manufacturer who doesn't have a clue w.r.t the specific vehicle it's providing an intake for. It's not like other vehicles in this respect!I'll stick to what's actually been PROPERLY tested on these trucks, by folks who actually know what they are doing & care about what they do. Period.
BTW - They paying you guys to be guinea pig beta testers, since they only used one truck? Thought not. Good luck with your warranty.
OINK OINK!
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Wow, this is getting a little out of hand. The reason for posting this thread was to give people my initial impressions of the Outlaw intake. There was a lot of buzz around this product, so I posted my review. I am not trying to "blindly" lead people into buying it.
If I remember correctly, there were some issues with people throwing CELs with Airaids and Volants - yet those products are still around.
I completely agree that the CEL that was thrown on my truck has me concerned. I am going to continue testing the product for a bit longer. If I throw another CEL, then its off. If I continue to run without a CEL, then I will keep it.
So I dont want this to be a thread where we start bashing eachother. I just want people to post pictures and reviews of the intake - that's it. If you don't like the intake, then don't buy it!! I am not trying to sell you this intake, I am not posting false information. This is what this site is about, sharing information so we can all make better choices. If you don't feel this is the right choice for you, then don't do it.
If I remember correctly, there were some issues with people throwing CELs with Airaids and Volants - yet those products are still around.
I completely agree that the CEL that was thrown on my truck has me concerned. I am going to continue testing the product for a bit longer. If I throw another CEL, then its off. If I continue to run without a CEL, then I will keep it.
So I dont want this to be a thread where we start bashing eachother. I just want people to post pictures and reviews of the intake - that's it. If you don't like the intake, then don't buy it!! I am not trying to sell you this intake, I am not posting false information. This is what this site is about, sharing information so we can all make better choices. If you don't feel this is the right choice for you, then don't do it.
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Originally Posted by thais0n
Wow, this is getting a little out of hand. The reason for posting this thread was to give people my initial impressions of the Outlaw intake. There was a lot of buzz around this product, so I posted my review. I am not trying to "blindly" lead people into buying it.
If I remember correctly, there were some issues with people throwing CELs with Airaids and Volants - yet those products are still around.
I completely agree that the CEL that was thrown on my truck has me concerned. I am going to continue testing the product for a bit longer. If I throw another CEL, then its off. If I continue to run without a CEL, then I will keep it.
So I dont want this to be a thread where we start bashing eachother. I just want people to post pictures and reviews of the intake - that's it. If you don't like the intake, then don't buy it!! I am not trying to sell you this intake, I am not posting false information. This is what this site is about, sharing information so we can all make better choices. If you don't feel this is the right choice for you, then don't do it.
If I remember correctly, there were some issues with people throwing CELs with Airaids and Volants - yet those products are still around.
I completely agree that the CEL that was thrown on my truck has me concerned. I am going to continue testing the product for a bit longer. If I throw another CEL, then its off. If I continue to run without a CEL, then I will keep it.
So I dont want this to be a thread where we start bashing eachother. I just want people to post pictures and reviews of the intake - that's it. If you don't like the intake, then don't buy it!! I am not trying to sell you this intake, I am not posting false information. This is what this site is about, sharing information so we can all make better choices. If you don't feel this is the right choice for you, then don't do it.
However I would strongly advise you to get your A/F's measured, as you have an '04. As indicated, the presence/absence of a CEL is not enough to be certain.
Yes - Airraid & Volants had/have that problem. Airraids were redesigned, but the Volants still can exhibit this issue - the single reason a custom (safe) MAF transfer function exists for this intake. Volants also still have flow issues above 4,100rpm.
Just tryin' to help.
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Pardon the dumb question, but how would I get my A/F ratio measured?
I have contemplated focusing more on performance, which would put me into custom tuning (and therefore get rid of the lean condition), but I am also planning my wedding - so money isn't growing on trees right now.
I have contemplated focusing more on performance, which would put me into custom tuning (and therefore get rid of the lean condition), but I am also planning my wedding - so money isn't growing on trees right now.
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Originally Posted by nuclearthreat54
I think i'll just get a S&B 
thais0n: a properly equipped dyno facility. A few datalogged pulls should cost no more than $75-$150.