Air Intakes
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I'm probably gonna get blasted.......Doesn't it come down to personal preference?
I just put my series 77 in yesterday and I noticed a big difference in power from stock, I also didn't throw a cel so I guess I did it right.
I understand that there is a difference but If you are happy with your choice then that is all that matters.
I just put my series 77 in yesterday and I noticed a big difference in power from stock, I also didn't throw a cel so I guess I did it right.
I understand that there is a difference but If you are happy with your choice then that is all that matters.
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Originally Posted by knuckleuppunk
Thanks for the reply.
First, I never said that we do not dyno test our products. If fact, we do dyno test our systems to back up the results we find in our lab. We do not publish the power numbers because there is no certified testing procedure for actual dyno testing. If I were to publish a power number, I expect to be able to repeat that power number at anytime and it just can't be done with dyno testing. If I did publish an exact power gain and those gains could not be duplicated, then I could be found liable for a false advertising. This is why some companies say "up to" and "gains of 12+hp", etc... They know that the power numbers they provide can't be reproduced, so the claim must be vague. There will never be an exact number given for power gains when dyno results are used. This is why you should think twice before relying only on the dyno results provided by a manufacturer.
On the other hand, our ISO 5011 test lab can produce certified results run after run after run, plus provide you with exact lab tested performance results. I can test a product a year from now and it will still have the same result as it does today. You can ask any engineer or scientist and they'll tell you that repeatable test results are the only way to accurately design and/or review any product. If you have test results that were obtained with uncontrolled variables, then the numbers will never work out correctly.
Just to show you that we do dyno test our products, the following is a link to a dyno test performed on a new Mustang. The testing was done by 5.0 Magazine and not be S&B Filters. Pay close attention to the fains in mid-range power. In a previous post I had mentioned that controlling air velocity is one key to producing power. We tune each system to maximize mid-range torque, as this is where you'll spend most of your time driving or when you get ready to pass. This all equals faster acceleration, crisp throttle response, and better fuel economy.
The nice thing about our Mustang kit is that is one of the true Mustang intakes that make power and does not require a tuner to avoid check engine lights. We have a very strong relationship with Ford and we use that relationship to our advantage with every Ford product we manufacture. I guess we've learned a thing or two in our last 30 years of business.
Again - Purchasing a specific intake system is 100% your choice and everyone can make their own decision. I am merely providing you with more tools that you can use to make an informed decision before your next purchase. I really don't care which system you buy, just make sure you have all of the information needed before you make a purchase...especially when it comes to replacing a part on your truck that is designed to PROTECT it.
Dyno Test Results
Cheers!
First, I never said that we do not dyno test our products. If fact, we do dyno test our systems to back up the results we find in our lab. We do not publish the power numbers because there is no certified testing procedure for actual dyno testing. If I were to publish a power number, I expect to be able to repeat that power number at anytime and it just can't be done with dyno testing. If I did publish an exact power gain and those gains could not be duplicated, then I could be found liable for a false advertising. This is why some companies say "up to" and "gains of 12+hp", etc... They know that the power numbers they provide can't be reproduced, so the claim must be vague. There will never be an exact number given for power gains when dyno results are used. This is why you should think twice before relying only on the dyno results provided by a manufacturer.
On the other hand, our ISO 5011 test lab can produce certified results run after run after run, plus provide you with exact lab tested performance results. I can test a product a year from now and it will still have the same result as it does today. You can ask any engineer or scientist and they'll tell you that repeatable test results are the only way to accurately design and/or review any product. If you have test results that were obtained with uncontrolled variables, then the numbers will never work out correctly.
Just to show you that we do dyno test our products, the following is a link to a dyno test performed on a new Mustang. The testing was done by 5.0 Magazine and not be S&B Filters. Pay close attention to the fains in mid-range power. In a previous post I had mentioned that controlling air velocity is one key to producing power. We tune each system to maximize mid-range torque, as this is where you'll spend most of your time driving or when you get ready to pass. This all equals faster acceleration, crisp throttle response, and better fuel economy.
The nice thing about our Mustang kit is that is one of the true Mustang intakes that make power and does not require a tuner to avoid check engine lights. We have a very strong relationship with Ford and we use that relationship to our advantage with every Ford product we manufacture. I guess we've learned a thing or two in our last 30 years of business.
Again - Purchasing a specific intake system is 100% your choice and everyone can make their own decision. I am merely providing you with more tools that you can use to make an informed decision before your next purchase. I really don't care which system you buy, just make sure you have all of the information needed before you make a purchase...especially when it comes to replacing a part on your truck that is designed to PROTECT it.
Dyno Test Results
Cheers!
Anyway, I read this entire thread and your posts and it sounds like you (and your company) have done your homework. Very impressive and your product is very impressive as well. But, if you are that positive that you have a darn good product that is ISO 5011 proven...what is wrong with posting dyno results as well? Most people want to know what the average performance results will be. I understand they can't be reproduced exactly (over and over again, or that each vehicle will vary) but to me with all you other hard data (ISO 5011 testing) and dyno results it would be a no brainer which product to purchase. But then again, I'm just a consumer and not an engineer.
The other guy mentioned about marketing...I know most (like mentioned before) want some proven dyno/performance results as well. It seems this would help in your marketing, especially paired with all the ISO 5011 testing. I would hope that the average joe would understand that the dyno results would vary depending all the factors. If not, then your company could take it one step further in your marketing to explain that as well (when you explain the ISO 5011 testing).
Again, I would be inclined to buy your product for my F150 based on your research (and price point) at a 75/25% decision. But, pair it off with some dyno/performance results...I would be more at a 90/10% inclination to buy your product.
This is the opinion from an average joe that wants the best for my truck performance wise w/o sacraficing unwanted abuse on the engine.
***EDIT*** I know dyno results were posted, but if I read it correctly it was for a mustang...I have a F150.
Last edited by brypink2; Feb 16, 2007 at 04:51 PM.
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Ok so I just spent the last 30 minutes reading this entire post. Very informative on all fronts. I only have two questions, which are failry benign compared to others.
1. Clicking on the link for CAI on page 3 or 4 took me to the one for an '06 f150. Going through the S&B site searching by my year ('05 f150 FX4) no CAI kits showed up. Just a link for replacement filters. Am I under the safe assumption that the '06 will mate up perfectly to an '05? I know that they are the same size engine, but not sure if there were any tweaks done, large or small, to the engines.
2. How long until your company is CARB approved? I see that your site states that it's "pending", but any time frames? It may not seem like a big deal to most people, but I don't want to take any chances at not being able to get the thing smogged as time goes by.
All in all sounds like a decent product with strong solid factual information to back it with. I'm no engineer, just a Fire Captain, and your ISO information has proven influencial.
1. Clicking on the link for CAI on page 3 or 4 took me to the one for an '06 f150. Going through the S&B site searching by my year ('05 f150 FX4) no CAI kits showed up. Just a link for replacement filters. Am I under the safe assumption that the '06 will mate up perfectly to an '05? I know that they are the same size engine, but not sure if there were any tweaks done, large or small, to the engines.
2. How long until your company is CARB approved? I see that your site states that it's "pending", but any time frames? It may not seem like a big deal to most people, but I don't want to take any chances at not being able to get the thing smogged as time goes by.
All in all sounds like a decent product with strong solid factual information to back it with. I'm no engineer, just a Fire Captain, and your ISO information has proven influencial.