How can a number equate sludge? I think your observation is out of line and not reasonable. Einstein or Steven Hawking can do all the numbers for you but in all actually real world situations is what really counts not numbers.

 

UberDude, please stop defending a product that you can't prove otherwise. It just doesn't seem resonable to me, very hypocritical if you ask me. Have fun with the Pennzoil/Sludge Oil.

 

huh?

why dont you go ahead and start calling me and my mother and my mothers cow bessy bad names since all you seem to be attempting is sheer agitation..

NOT ONCE have i defended ANYTHING throughout this thread... i was simply trying to find the advantages of switching from quaker state to synthetic.. and was less then satisfied with the " my tech said she said he did his cousin on saturday" testimonials..

i have pennzoil in my engine now.. maybe ill put castrol in it next time.. or maybe motorcraft or maybe baby oil as far as your concerned..

i had alot of respect for you thump. but im sure your gonna tell me where i can stick that..

my mind is blown away by your statement thump. your the last person i'd expect that from.

 

Okay, I might have been mistaken about you defending Pennzoil. It really seemed like it though throughout this thread and I'm sure others here probally taken it that way. . like you said you asked for everyones opinon on why you should switch, everyone gave it to you. If you're not satisfied, do the research, I'm sure google will pull up TONS of information and facts on exactly why synthetic is better than dino-oil. . and why everything is better than Pennzoil. I wasn't calling you any names so please don't try to put that on me. I was saying that it's hypocritical that you were saying you wanted facts to prove that Pennzoil created more sludge, but than again you don't have facts to prove it doesn't have sludge.

PS: Try to not get so worked up, its just an internet forum.

 

again.... HUH? when did pennzoil get into this?.. ya i said its in my engine after SuperSport1985 made the statement

thats when i asked for proof to his claim.. QUAKERSTATE was the oil being bashed to begin with..

this is whats really confusing me.. heres SuperSport1985 saying quakerstates the worst and here you are thump saying pennzoil is the worst..

there can only be 1 "worst" oil so which is it..

o well, when theres 3,000 miles on this oil .. i'll change it for motor craft with a motor craft filter and call it a day.. you've all convinced me of that much.

 

Since I'm such a nice guy, I did some QUICK research and dug the MAIN benefits.

The industry recognizes the following benefits for synthetic motor oils:

1. Improved viscosity at low temperatures. Mineral oils tend to include wax impurities which coagulate at lower temperatures. A typical 10W-30 oil remains liquid at -50 °C (-58 °F)
2. Better high temperature performance. Synthetic oils have few low molecular weight hydrocarbons which evaporate at high temperatures.
3. Higher purity
4. Decreased oil consumption
5. Reduced friction and engine wear
6. Improved fuel consumption through better engine lubrication
7. Resistance to oil sludge problems
8. Crude oil doesn't have to be used for the production of the lubricants
9. Some synthetic motor oil producers offer extended intervals between oil changes (extended drain intervals)
10. Reduction of environmental impact (due to lower oil consumption)

Yes, I meant Quakerstate.

I typed my reply much too fast to proof-read it. :o

 

thanks thump.

beat me over the head enough times and i'll eventually learn to do a search first.

googled searched synthetic oil and found more info then you can shake a fat lady at..

im thinkin synthetics gettin shoved in the engine next time around ..
i just hope it can handle this pennzoil for atleast 3000 miles. :o


thanks again thump.

 

No problem.

 

 

hey is Pennzoil any better then Quakerstate?


interesting thing to note is there both owned by Shell Oil Company.

 

You get what you pay for. Cheap oil = 3000-3500 miles
Expensive oil = 5000-6000 miles

If you pay for a good filter system then you will get even more miles out of your oil. But either way your gonna pay for the miles you get!

 

Sorry to bother you guys with an amatuer question but do u guys change your own oil?

 

I change my own when I have time but since ford dealer is 200 yards away I pay sometimes. If its your first oil change id have them do it as some of the trucks have the factory filter welded on so to speak. (overtightened).

 

i change my own oil..

heres an interesting article's from the Quakerstate website...

Myth #2

If the oil turns dark or black quickly, it's no good.
You can tell the condition of oil by the look, smell or color of it.
Dirty (black) motor oil means the oil is breaking down.

Fact
A common misconception is that high quality motor oil should come out of an engine looking clean at the time of an oil change. Nothing could be further from the truth. If the oil is doing its job of cleaning the engine, then it should be dirty when it is drained. Quaker State® motor oil will start looking dirty a short time after it is put to use. In the case of diesel engines, the oil will look dirty within a few hours of operation. These are signs that the motor oil is doing its job of keeping soot, dirt, and other combustion contaminants in suspension to be carried to the filter or removed from the crankcase when the oil is changed. Quaker State® motor oils have been formulated to hold these contaminants in suspension until they can be removed with an oil and filter change.



Myth #7

Synthetic oil lasts longer than conventional oil or extends the oil drain interval.
You can go longer (i.e., 25000 miles) with synthetic oils.
Using synthetic motor oils can double your oil drain interval.
Synthetic motor oils can be used twice as long as conventional motor oils.
Changing only your oil filter every 3000 miles and topping off the oil can extend drain intervals.

Fact
Quaker State® does not recommend extending oil drain intervals beyond the “severe service” maintenance interval of three months or 3,000 miles, whichever comes first. Also, we are unaware of any automobile manufacturer in the United States that currently recognizes using any synthetic oil beyond the recommended oil change intervals outlined in their owner’s manual. We emphasize severe service since the majority of motor vehicles are operated in severe driving conditions such as short trips (under 10 miles), dusty or sandy conditions, cold weather, extended idling periods, trailer towing or other harsh conditions. Under ideal conditions, however, such as a dust-free climate, highway driving, light loads, perfect engine performance, etc., the oil drain interval may be extended to the vehicle manufacturer’s recommended “normal service” period (generally between 3,000 to 7,500 miles). Contamination by normal wear particles, water, fuel, and other combustion by-products, as well as additive depletion, are the main reasons for changing conventional oils on a regular basis. Synthetic oils are equally susceptible to this problem. The only way to remove these contaminants is to change the oil and filter within manufacturers’ recommended intervals.

While it is desirable to change the oil filter before it plugs up because of dirt and contaminant build-up, it is nearly impossible to detect when that condition exists or is about to occur. Regardless of how good an oil filter appears to be, it only makes good sense to change the oil filter at every oil change.




penny for your thoughts?

dont get me wrong. im not supporting Quakerstate.

IN FACT!

What makes synthetic oil superior to conventional oil?

Historically, conventional oils lack the performance of synthetic oils in the areas of low-temperature performance and high-temperature oxidation stability. Conventional motor oil is made up of an inconsistent mixture of long and short chains of carbon and hydrogen atoms. In the extreme heat of an engine, short-chain molecules can evaporate, and unstable molecules can oxidize and break down. Conventional oils also contain much greater amounts of impurities, such as sulfur, reactive and unstable hydrocarbons, and other undesirable contaminants that cannot be completely removed by conventional refining of crude oil.

Mobil 1 uses high-performance fluids, including polyalphaolefins (PAOs), along with a proprietary system of additives. Each Mobil 1 and Mobil 1 Extended Performance viscosity grade use a unique combination of synthetic fluids and selected additives in order to tailor the viscosity grade to its specific application.


im thinkin synthetics the way to go.

 

I've been using Royal Purple synthetic since I've had the truck and I did not notice a difference in anything...except pocket weight. But I decline to stop using RP because I'm an idiot.